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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134976: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:57:14 PM

Couple more people and they can make a West Coast type Avengers.

That’s be an new direction, considering the WCA in the comics have typically been based in So Cal. I recall there was a period where Daredevil was based in San Francisco but he went back to Hell’s Kitchen eventually.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#134977: Oct 4th 2021 at 4:45:28 PM

I think they settled on sufficiently advanced technology and sufficiently advanced magic and the Asgardians don’t always differentiate except when pointing at Loki and saying magic

Thor kinda said the same thing in the first movie didn't he?

And the Ancient One kinda followed that idea when she pointed out that magic was manipulating the source code of the universe. She also had that debate on timelines with Bruce.

I think it's still kinda there, but they're downplaying since they are embracing the comic book mentality more openly. Which makes sense. Science is about understanding the universe, and magic is a part of that universe.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#134978: Oct 4th 2021 at 5:16:27 PM

Even in Ragnarok, which revolved around an ancient prophecy, the mooks were undead warriors animated by a death goddess, and Thor was quite insistent about being the god of thunder, still had a handful of "are we sure this is magic?" moments. That's not a complaint—one of my favorite little details was about how Thor was easily able to keep up with Banner's technobabble, because Asgard is an advanced spacefaring civilization and he understands that stuff.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#134979: Oct 4th 2021 at 5:51:13 PM

The MCU started with sciencey magical science and now deals with magical sciencey magic.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134980: Oct 4th 2021 at 6:02:52 PM

Heh I was listening to the Metal Gear Rising soundtrack and I now have this fun idea of Armor Wars being Rhodey going against an epic conspiracy of distinctly cyborg or in this case power armored lunatics like Raiden did.

And its pretty fitting in since Rhodey is a soldier and has had a hand in the military/industrial complex.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134981: Oct 4th 2021 at 6:21:56 PM

Too bad Garry Shandling is dead and can't be a nanomachine-powered Senator Stern for the final battle.

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#134982: Oct 4th 2021 at 9:23:35 PM

This means a case of The Other Darrin where you find a new actor to replace the one who has left or is already dead.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134983: Oct 4th 2021 at 9:31:33 PM

[up] Unless you're Black Panther.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134984: Oct 5th 2021 at 2:53:31 PM

New Eternals TV spot, featuring some of them in action (most notably Angie's Thena)

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#134985: Oct 5th 2021 at 3:05:55 PM

Makkari's speed running looks so cool here.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#134986: Oct 5th 2021 at 3:35:18 PM

Wrong thread, ignore, sorry.

Edited by Khfan429 on Oct 5th 2021 at 3:35:32 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134987: Oct 5th 2021 at 4:21:04 PM

It’s rare that super speed is depicted as slightly awkward and out of control like someone in a full out sprint often looks

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134988: Oct 5th 2021 at 4:45:41 PM

Its gonna be interesting to compare to Quicksilver whose our only other speedster in the MCU.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 5th 2021 at 4:46:02 AM

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#134989: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:23:17 PM

As far as how Eternals will do, it depends on the competition involved or the box office climate. On one hand, they're extremely obscure to many comic fans and casual audiences, not to mention that they haven't appeared much in other Marvel titles,note  by contrast, the Guardians of the Galaxy had made some appearances in animation and video games while Marvel was working on their film as early as 2009, so they were already built up in preparation for their cinematic debut, not to mention having a comic series that last two years and appearances in Avengers Assembled and Marvel NOW!. Even Shang-Chi had slightly more relevance than the Eternals as he was in some Marvel video games and headlined his own comic title Master of Kung Fu which lasted for two decades as well as some appearances in noteworthy comic book storylines such as Shadowland and Infinity, plus his own film was in the works since The '80s and almost appeared in The Avengers (2012).

A comicbook.com article named four factors that could make or break the film's success at the box office: 1. Lack of recognition and appeal from the mainstream, 2. Its theatre-level experience being not as high as other blockbusters of 2021, 3. The uptick in COVID cases and 4. Zhao not being a big enough name for audiences. Of course, considering that Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings did better than expected at the domestic box office, Eternals might have similar success. Though Shang-Chi had the benefit of being targeted towards one demographic (Asian-Americans, especially Chinese people) and a favorable Labor Day weekend. By contrast, Eternals has to appeal to multiple demographic groups and doesn't have a specific holiday to fall back on, so while it will make it's money back how well it will perform at the box office depends on its performance during or after the opening weekend.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Oct 5th 2021 at 5:28:17 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134990: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:35:09 PM

My worry about Eternals outside of the lack of recognition is that it's going to try to be both a comic book movie and an Oscar Bait arthouse film of sorts, and ultimately succeed in being neither.

Also, trying to focus on a grand total of ten different main characters with zero information about any of them given to us beforehand sounds like quite a challenge.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 5th 2021 at 5:36:52 AM

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Vault Dweller
#134991: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:41:32 PM

If Brad Pitt exists in the MCU, did Brangelina also happen in the MCU? Just saying because the coroner on the Skrull autopsy in Captain Marvel name-drops Pitt in his discussion with Talos.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134992: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:43:36 PM

I mean is it really that unlikely that Angelina Jolie is an immortal god-like being? tongue

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Funny but not helpful
#134994: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:45:54 PM

I’m not really worried about Eternals except in the sense of whether I personally will enjoy it

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134995: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:46:24 PM

Kingo’s whole thing is that he took time out of being a powerful immortal alien to become a famous actor, so…

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134996: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:47:48 PM

As funny as it is to joke about celebrity paradoxes, its all easily explained by just being identical strangers.

Somewhere around the world there's prolly a completely unrelated person who happens to look exactly like you.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#134997: Oct 5th 2021 at 5:49:14 PM

[up][up] My sentiments exactly. Say what you will about Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, that film had a clear audience in mind and it was a superhero Wuxia martial arts film that can be easily understood by audiences. Plus, Destin Daniel Cretton has made a few successful films under his belt such as Short Term 12 and Just Mercy. Eternals does not have those things.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Oct 5th 2021 at 8:28:25 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134998: Oct 5th 2021 at 6:03:53 PM

I remember when watching press junkets for Bohemian Rhapsody how Joseph Mazzello pointed out how he and John Deacon look exactly alike. So Identical Stranger existing in the MCU doesn't seem that far-fetched.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134999: Oct 5th 2021 at 6:14:36 PM

I feel like we've had this conversation before in this very thread, so I'm just going to say what I said last time the 'Eternals' cast size came up:

No one ever says bad stuff about the cast sizes of Ocean's Eleven, Love Actually, or Knives Out.

Maybe it will wind up overstuffed or some characters will be sidelined, but a large cast is not a damning indicator by itself. It's all in the writing.

Now, to point out that Chloe Zhao, who is known for intimate films with smaller casts, hasn't directed such a large and flashy ensemble film before would be more fair.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#135000: Oct 5th 2021 at 6:18:32 PM

Do we know how long the movie will be?

Long length will prolly help there.

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