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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134951: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:24:24 PM

So there’s a flying brick with eye lasers, a super speedster, a warrior goddess

Are there more similarities to justice league or is this just a coincidence

It could also be the whole "pantheon of gods" thing. If they're emphasizing the "the Eternals were the inspiration for certain - predominantly Greek - myths and legends" thing, those powers might be the whole "turn literal gods/demigods into superheroes" idea.

Marvel Comics' approach to gods can be... odd... due to Fantasy Kitchen Sink. The comics have both the Eternals, who are clearly conceived as "these characters inspired the legends of Greek mythology," with a Zeus analogue, a Hephaestus analogue, an Athena analogue, etc. But then the Greek gods also exist in that universe at the same time, side by side with them. It stinks of them being two ideas that were not initially conceived to be in the same universe.

So the MCU might just composite the two ideas for ease's sake. Hell, if we get Hercules he might just be a child of the Eternals rather than the son of literal Zeus.

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#134952: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:26:10 PM

Zeus is apparently set to appear in Love & Thunder, though. And dunno if these guys taking over some other Pantheon would be better received, anyway.

Edited by Blueace on Oct 4th 2021 at 6:26:49 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134953: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:31:02 PM

If they can do in the wizard for the Norse gods with the only real complaints being the occasional asshole complaining about black vikings, we probably don't have much to worry about in regards to reception for anything else along those lines.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 4th 2021 at 2:31:12 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134954: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:37:40 PM

Once again its hilarious how in Thor 1 Odin tells Thor they aren't Gods only for in Ragnarok his ultimate question that gets Thor out of his funk is "Are you Thor the God of Hammers?"

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2021 at 2:37:51 AM

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#134955: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:41:35 PM

There was a real Doing In the Wizard thing going on in Phases 1 and 2. But then Phase 3 was like, "Fuck it. If these people will swallow Rocket Goddamn Raccoon, then what am I doing trying to pretend all the magic is just super tech?"

One of the things that made the MCU great was, from the beginning, its willingness to be more comic booky than other superhero films being made by competing studios. But Phase 3 turned that dial up to 11, being much more comic booky than even most of its preceding MCU films.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 4th 2021 at 2:43:52 AM

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#134956: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:52:23 PM

I think they settled on sufficiently advanced technology and sufficiently advanced magic and the Asgardians don’t always differentiate except when pointing at Loki and saying magic

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134957: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:07:54 PM

Also huh looks like the Venom movies might be a serious topic here......

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#134958: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:09:27 PM

You know, I kinda wonder if Phase 1 and 2's Doing In the Wizard was at least in part due to the whole Creative Committee, considering that the MCU and Marvel proper were separated during the development of Civil War, freeing up Phase 3 to go "Magic"

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#134959: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:11:50 PM

If y'all are going to be talking about Venom, I'm gonna GTFO from this thread. I'm seeing the film on Tuesday, and I'm hearing crazy things about it.

Also, just realized that I've watched Shang-Chi and now am going to see Venom while actually living in San Francisco. Woot.

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#134960: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:12:55 PM

[up][up] Considering how much Perlmutter sucks and how the most successful comic book films at the time were science-based, that wouldn't surprise me. He probably looked at the X-Men and Spider-Man and went, "Welp, copy from those guys. No magic."

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#134961: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:13:17 PM

Ant-Man and Shang-Chi both live in San Fran.

Couple more people and they can make a West Coast type Avengers.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134962: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:15:46 PM

[up] Damn, I didn't even think of that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134963: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:16:16 PM

The Foxmen did kinda poison the well for years with their black leather costumes.

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#134964: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:20:50 PM

Okay, this might be an unpopular opinion. But I didn't hate the black leather costumes from Foxmen. I did like that they were black, but had corresponding colors to other people, and did look relatively cool.

Of course, now the X-Men can probably wear something better nowadays, but I still don't hate the original Movie Superheroes Wear Black.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#134965: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:34:43 PM

I think the black leather outfits made sense at the time. The first X-Men movie came out at a time when Superhero movies weren't in a good place overall, so they decided to go for a more serious look then what the colorful comics-accurate costumes would of allowed at the time.

And it paid off, as it laid the groundwork for what would eventually propel superhero movies into the cultural juggernaut they have become today.

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#134966: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:37:50 PM

Still, that had its day and is long since past. Now, it's all about color.

Edited by Blueace on Oct 4th 2021 at 7:38:16 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134967: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:39:39 PM

Poor Jackman never did put on the suit sadly.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134968: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:43:54 PM

That said, was "super speed blew out her eardrums" stated anywhere in the promo materials or interviews? I can only find that merch description saying her deafness makes her immune to her sonic booms.

Y'know what, I think I read the merc description and misremembered it. My bad.

Still, the fact that her deafness and super-speed are even tied like that is pretty neat. Very atypical bit of realism for the power-set.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134969: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:45:58 PM

You got that a little in the early MCU, mind. Just look at Hawkeye.

To adopt what Tobias said earlier, they didn't really commit to going all out with comic booky visuals and aesthetics until recently. And while they don't exactly count, the Netflix shows are full of the same kind of "psh, like we would really dress like that, amirite?" gags that the "would you rather yellow spandex?" hits.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134970: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:50:35 PM

Daredevil was the only one wearing anything with actual color in his dark-red suit.

Luke for the most part wore a black hoodie and Iron Fist got stuck in drab civivies with no color.

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#134971: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:51:07 PM

Also, Bruce said no to purple pants in Incredible Hulk.

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#134972: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:52:52 PM

Wonder how the live-action Cage would have looked with the afro and the tiara.

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#134973: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:54:59 PM

He'd look like a damned fool.

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#134974: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:55:42 PM

Or he’d rock it, no in-between here.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134975: Oct 4th 2021 at 3:56:36 PM

Those also those gauntlet things he’s always depicted with.

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