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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134926: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:25:41 AM

Magik called her Pocahontas and asked if she liked buffalo wings. That's not borderline racist, that's just literal racist filtered through an Alpha Bitch that the movie thought was just catty Mean Girls banter.

Also yeah, Marvel has a sorta underlying issue of a lot of the more atypical diversity picks being mutants or mutant-adjacent, given the whole discrimination allegory. One thing I was kinda fine with from the Inhumanity stuff was pushing more diverse characters that weren't junior X-Men.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134927: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:34:26 AM

Red Wolf is decent

He’s a badass normal who owns a wolf. His most modern time displaced iteration had something like detective vision in being very perceptive

Wyatt Wingfoot from Fantastic Four is probably fair game considering his tribe is straight up made up

He has the powers of shopping at a big and tall store, possible narcolepsy, and dating She Hulk some of the time

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#134928: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:36:07 AM

It's not so much an issue now that Marvel Studios owns the rights to those characters. If you want to create films where minorities get to have conversations with people of their own demographic, it's often asking you to pull mutant characters out of their usual wheel house because the mutant cast is where that diversity can be found.

Which works for some characters, Storm totally could be introduced in Black Panther 2 fittingly for example.

But some mutant characters don't want to be divored from their source material. And probably Dani Moonstar is one of them?

This is just a consequence of us getting better at depicting minorities in media. 15 years ago having Echo enjoy her mini series in the company of the King Pin, Daredevil and Bullseye would have been seen as progressive by a fair few.

I could also be asking myself if Echo should have any other deaf Marvel characters supporting her series.

Edit: [up] detective vision? Gosh what is it with first nation characters and super senses. It's up there with animal motifs.

Edited by Whowho on Oct 4th 2021 at 3:38:03 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134929: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:40:07 AM

Gosh what is it with first nation characters and super senses. It's up there with animal motifs.

We have a whole trope about it

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134930: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:41:45 AM

It’s not an actual super sense. Guy is just really perceptive. It’s not a super tracking thing like often gets used. I tried to indicate that by calling it the same thing video games call Batman’s perceptiveness

As for deaf characters, I don’t know a lot. But there was a deaf mutant introduced in the new Iron Man run who has the power of his heart rate never elevates. Tony met him street racing and then took him into space to fight an existential threat because Tony

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#134931: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:43:15 AM

Google tells me that Nyla Skin is a King Pin connected (partially) deaf character. She's a homeless burglar.

Edited by Whowho on Oct 4th 2021 at 3:43:48 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134932: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:48:33 AM

Jason Strongbow (American Eagle) is another Native American character who could be used in an Echo show. He's also not an X-Men character.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134933: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:48:37 AM

Deafness doesn't get as much attention in general when it comes to physical disabilities. Not in the sense that, say, blindness does.

Shit, the idea of MCU Makkari being deaf because her super-speed has blown out her eardrums is downright inspired.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134934: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:49:50 AM

Speedsters always remember the googles and so rarely the ear muffs

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#134935: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:54:15 AM

goggles are cooler and earmuffs look silly,that's probably why

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#134936: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:55:01 AM

Why do you think people wear earplugs?

The legend has returned.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#134937: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:59:04 AM

gee I don't know,why do people like wearing person protective equipment

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134938: Oct 4th 2021 at 10:02:33 AM

Wait that’s why Makkari’s deaf?

Damn that’s metal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134939: Oct 4th 2021 at 10:42:48 AM

It's one hell of a Surprisingly Realistic Outcome, that's for sure.

Although now I gotta wonder why Pietro never got hearing problems after he was experimented on by the Mind Stone...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#134940: Oct 4th 2021 at 10:44:40 AM

So Eternals are immortal but as squishy as humans?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134941: Oct 4th 2021 at 11:12:51 AM

Weirdly enough that means Pietro has a more durable physiology.

In the Ultimate Universe he kills the augmented speedster Cyclone by taking her at speeds far beyond what her body can handle, turning her into paste while mentioning how he already reached sonic speeds when he was still a toddler.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134942: Oct 4th 2021 at 11:20:44 AM

[up][up] I mean, I've seen Ikaris duke it out with Red Hulk, so no, I don't think that is accurate?

At least not in all cases.

But then again, I haven't read a comic in like 3 years.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134943: Oct 4th 2021 at 11:21:24 AM

Given that Wanda is likely at least somewhat responsible for his powers, she may have subconsciously given him Required Secondary Powers as well.

That said, was "super speed blew out her eardrums" stated anywhere in the promo materials or interviews? I can only find that merch description saying her deafness makes her immune to her sonic booms.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#134944: Oct 4th 2021 at 12:39:09 PM

My guess is he doesn’t run as fast as her.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#134945: Oct 4th 2021 at 1:22:25 PM

[up][up][up]The Eternals don't all have the exact same powers. Ikaris going head to head with the big guns doesn't mean any of the others could also do that.

Edited by jakobitis on Oct 4th 2021 at 1:22:49 AM

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#134946: Oct 4th 2021 at 1:23:07 PM

Yeah to get to the point of suffering sonic booms you've got to be running at Mach 1, which is ludicrously fast. 760 miles per hour fast. No way MCU Peitro ran that fast.

Edited by Whowho on Oct 4th 2021 at 9:25:06 AM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#134947: Oct 4th 2021 at 1:28:33 PM

Given that Wanda is likely at least somewhat responsible for his powers, she may have subconsciously given him Required Secondary Powers as well.

Wanda would also have these Required Secondary Powers. The Mind Stone exposure almost certainly gave their bodies extra durability.

Case in point:

  • In Edinburgh in Infinity War, she gets blasted through a storefront by Proxima Midnight and is fine without a scratch 5 seconds later.

  • During the final battle in Endgame, she's sent flying by artillery blasts from Sanctuary II that were one shotting Leviathans, and gets up without a scratch just a minute or so later.

  • In the finale of WandaVision, she starts getting her head crushed by White Vision (you can audibly hear her skull cracking), but she doesn't start bleeding or anything, and after he lets go of her, she is completely fine for the rest of her duel with Agatha while sporting no lasting damage.

Okey Dokey!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134948: Oct 4th 2021 at 1:33:38 PM

So there’s a flying brick with eye lasers, a super speedster, a warrior goddess

Are there more similarities to justice league or is this just a coincidence

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134949: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:07:32 PM

[up] If one of them can has an alien-like appearance and merely takes on a human disguise, I'm gonna call it.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134950: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:14:42 PM

If this is the case, the Eternals might be the JL stand in instead of trying to adapt the Squadron Supreme Sinister

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