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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#134901: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:08:28 PM

I'd actually like to see Sam in his veteran counseling role that he had in TWS. Have him try to balance Cap life and regular counseling. It could be a neat way to work in characters via his counseling group.

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#134902: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:11:29 PM

Stick Taskmaster somewhere in there. The character kind of just... exists right now.

Actually, who's Taskmaster associated with in the comics?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134903: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:12:45 PM

He’s a utilitarian character.

You can pretty much pluck him anywhere as long as the character is a martial artist or some kind or lower-power physical fighter like Spider-Man.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:25:17 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#134904: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:24:47 PM

Funnily enough, Taskmaster appeared in the mobile tie-in game to The Winter Soldier.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134905: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:27:44 PM

Guy can fit anywhere because he's a mercenary who is only motivated by two things.

The first is money of course.

The second is a bit more subtle — he feels a need to prove that he can even beat superhumans. Just look at his battle with Hyperion in the comics.

The result is a mercenary who is eager to take on supers.

Edited by M84 on Oct 4th 2021 at 12:28:21 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134906: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:55:22 PM

Unfortunately, MCU Taskmaster is really not compatible with, well... any of that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134907: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:59:21 PM

Our only hope is that 5 years is enough to greatly change a person…..

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#134908: Oct 3rd 2021 at 10:49:17 PM

The writers could do anything, I think. It would be really easy.

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#134909: Oct 3rd 2021 at 10:56:09 PM

[up] Barely an inconvenience? :-)

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#134910: Oct 3rd 2021 at 11:14:42 PM

This whole stink over Taskmaster is frankly, so goddamn stupid to me. You know Civil War's Zemo barely resembles his comic self, but in Fat W has been written to be much closer to "Baron Zemo", right?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134911: Oct 3rd 2021 at 11:26:52 PM

In fairness there is a difference of execution between the 2 characters.

Though an amusing contrast between Zemo being a very motivated person who kickstart and move the plot forward through his own machinations while Tasky is a mindless tool with no input on anything aside from being the bluntest of blunt instruments for the real big bad.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134912: Oct 3rd 2021 at 11:35:31 PM

[up][up]The gulf between comics Taskmaster and MCU Taskmaster is so big that it'd feel like an Ass Pull to course-correct the character.

Also, unlike Zemo, it hasn't happened yet, so until then I reserve the right to be disappointed with MCU Taskmaster.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134913: Oct 3rd 2021 at 11:42:11 PM

MCU Taskmaster is a blank slate, so it wouldn’t be that hard to give her a new more comics-consistent characterization. I doubt many would miss her old “personality”, and there have been more abrupt character shifts in the MCU.

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#134914: Oct 3rd 2021 at 11:44:05 PM

Yeah, I don't like the MCU "incarnation" of Taskmaster which turned a snarky, cool Badass Normal that can copy the memories of his opponents into a second-rate Winter Soldier/Nebula knockoff with no agency.

I would have preferred that Black Widow (2021) or some other piece of MCU media simply adapt Taskmaster as he is in the comics by being a mercenary for hire who is hired by the villain to hunt down say Natasha or Clint rather than trying to shoehorn in a connection to a character that exists as a throwaway line and posthumous at that. Likewise, I would argue that the Ancient One should remain East Asian given the setting.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Oct 4th 2021 at 7:29:10 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#134915: Oct 3rd 2021 at 11:59:23 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134916: Oct 4th 2021 at 12:03:13 AM

Edit: Nah this is too far, sorry.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2021 at 12:16:53 PM

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#134917: Oct 4th 2021 at 12:06:29 AM

Maybe we should calm things down a notch?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134918: Oct 4th 2021 at 12:10:58 AM

Yeah, I really don't get why that is warranted.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134919: Oct 4th 2021 at 12:12:52 AM

The weird thing is that MCU Taskmaster's characterization as an Empty Shell Living Weapon conditioned to be a perfect assassin by her parent is more akin to the backstory of X-23.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134920: Oct 4th 2021 at 12:16:25 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]Apparently quite a few people care, so your statement is factually wrong.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#134921: Oct 4th 2021 at 12:30:48 AM

Also, just because you don't care about Taskmaster does not mean that everybody else has to shut up. This conversation can use being more polite, too.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#134922: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:01:43 AM

Given that Echo has never had her own comic series and thus doesn't have her own supporting cast, I'm thinking to myself what marvel first nation characters could be transplanted into her story.

(Part of my grump with Chakote from Star Trek Voyager was that because there were no other first nations members of the crew his identity often only served as something for the other characters to interact with)

Issue is, most marvel first nation characters areutants tied to the X-Men. Danielle Moonstar and Warpath would not transplant easily. Maybe Forge could work? His power is such that he doesn't even have to know he's a mutant at this point. And being able to make super tech means he's useful in any plot.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#134923: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:03:27 AM

And she was in the New Mutants movie, but man Magik was borderline racist to her.

Just Makima.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134924: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:21:14 AM

[up]I honestly wouldn't call the stuff she spewed borderline racist, it straight up was.

But yeah, Dani is Cheyenne like Echo, but I doubt they're willing to incorporate her at this point.

Maybe the Red Wolf identity? Don't know anything about those dudes though.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#134925: Oct 4th 2021 at 7:25:18 AM

Dani would be cool, but I have no idea how you'd introduce her given that her oragin story and powers throw her straight into her plot, and that inciting incident happens when she's plenty young.

Unless she's literally a child.

But even then you are then committed to adapting her story at some point.


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