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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134876: Oct 3rd 2021 at 6:51:16 PM

We could bring in Hate-Monger. tongue

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:52:22 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#134877: Oct 3rd 2021 at 6:51:55 PM

The singular clone of Hitler?

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#134878: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:14:44 PM

Oh, I know who they should bring in... the Asthma Monster!

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#134879: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:16:19 PM

Not keen about Hate-Monger since it tends to lean on the notion that all hate and evil can be laid on one man rather than the society that enables him. Especially with his Hate-Ray and stuff like that.

Maybe Hate-Monger could be a modern cult politician leader who uses hate and violence to rise to power, but that would be an uncomfortable territory for Disney to do...

Edited by Shadao on Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:30:59 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134880: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:20:36 PM

Hate-Monger is incredibly on-the-nose even putting aside the fact that he's literally literally Hitler. I was just joking around.

Treating the concept of "hate" as a corporeal form of energy that can be raygun'd into people is some Captain-Planet-esque nonsense. I could see certain aspects of him (like deliberately instigating race wars, or manipulating people's emotions in a more grounded way) folded into a different villain with an actual objective beyond "be evil", though.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 3rd 2021 at 10:21:43 AM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#134881: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:24:12 PM

Can Sam go and punch some ex-president or the Congress or something?

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#134882: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:35:36 PM

So, an adaptation of Secret Empire, and I mean the original where Steve fights Nixon?

HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#134883: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:36:30 PM

Hate-Monger was just a rip off of a Twilight Zone episode.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#134884: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:48:26 PM

Man. If only hate could be used as an energy source. Considering how much their is in the real world, we solve every energy problem all at once.

Hate Monger would still be pretty evil dude though. Like, I'm sure he'd produce so much energy it'd go nuclear on us.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#134886: Oct 3rd 2021 at 7:57:19 PM

Oh, if we could convert hate into energy, the internet alone would put the fossil fuel industry out of business.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134887: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:02:44 PM

Ignoring the villains for a second, who should Cap's supporting cast be? Just him and Bucky again would be a little too similar to The Falcon and the Winter Soldier in my opinion. Maybe two other characters to give us a quartet? Who would they be?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134888: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:03:14 PM

Well Sam’s family is an obvious one.

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jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
BLADE Pathfinders
#134889: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:06:43 PM

Scott

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134890: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:06:45 PM

[up][up]True true. But I meant more like supporting heroes. Like how he and Black Widow often were supporting characters in Steve's films.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:07:08 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#134891: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:07:00 PM

I mean, it wasn't "just" Sam and Bucky in the show, so I don't know why it would just be them in Captain America 4.

jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
BLADE Pathfinders
#134892: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:07:48 PM

Scott.

Rhodey would also work, but Scott could reference beating Sam.

Edit: didn't mean to double-post

Edited by jdeo1997 on Oct 3rd 2021 at 11:09:07 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134893: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:09:42 PM

[up] Scott's got his own movie though, and I don't think it'll tie into whatever the new Captain America will be about.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134894: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:10:21 PM

We can finally make Joaquin Torres Falcon II.

Edit: Oooooh Sam did also work with Rage of the New Warriors during his Captain America run.

Joaquin and Rage became friends during that.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:15:21 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134895: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:17:45 PM

I wish they actually made Rhodey the Vice-President of the USA like they had once planned. If only because the idea of the VP suiting up in metal armor to go fight baddies is hilarious.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134896: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:18:44 PM

That be some Metal Wold Chaos shit and I am all up for that. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134898: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:34:22 PM

The President was very briefly War Machine in Iron Man 3

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134899: Oct 3rd 2021 at 8:59:45 PM

Also, wasn't the Vice President a bad guy in Iron Man 3?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134900: Oct 3rd 2021 at 9:03:59 PM

Yes

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