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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134726: Oct 1st 2021 at 7:34:04 AM

Hank: “my technology changing the world is literally my worst nightmare, Scott”

Scott: “I know”

Hank: “Hope tell him what a nightmare this is”

Hope: “Catastropherrific”

Hank: “No”

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134727: Oct 1st 2021 at 9:57:32 AM

Shit when I first saw Chavez I assumed she was related to Cap in some way due to the name and costume.

Its the Spider-Man dilemma. Jessica Drew has little to no relation with Peter Parker but the common man would naturally assume they do due to similar names and powers.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 1st 2021 at 10:23:42 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134728: Oct 1st 2021 at 10:14:13 AM

Or confusing her with Jessica Jones, who does.

Also, it is Brie Larson's birthday today!

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134729: Oct 1st 2021 at 10:20:37 AM

[up][up] I thought the same thing about American Eagle being a Captain America character. It wouldn't surprise me if he does get connected to the Super Soldier program assuming he does show up in the MCU.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 1st 2021 at 10:21:22 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134730: Oct 1st 2021 at 11:35:26 AM

Yeah, I think Endgame's biggest failing was that it left time-travel too accessible.

There's also the lingering, glaring thing about how they could always just de-age Cap using the time machines and "moving time through" him whenever they want, which was something I think HISHE mocked.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134731: Oct 1st 2021 at 11:59:39 AM

Hope Brie Larson has a happy birthday. Higher, further, faster baby.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134732: Oct 1st 2021 at 12:03:54 PM

Huh here's a funny thought. With the apparent integration of the past movie continuities, it means one thing and one thing only.

FLASH WAR

https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/pyy867/all_this_talk_about_all_the_peters_meeting_up_in/

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/39pvyvw3yqq71.jpg

One Flash to rule them all.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#134733: Oct 1st 2021 at 12:49:39 PM

There's also the lingering, glaring thing about how they could always just de-age Cap using the time machines and "moving time through" him whenever they want, which was something I think HISHE mocked.

They seriously found out the secret to immortality: de-aging. That stuff should be getting mass-produced.

Okey Dokey!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134734: Oct 1st 2021 at 12:56:44 PM

That Endgame just casually invented easy time travel and left it lying around is on my mind whenever I see the claim that “What If/Loki/WandaVision are breaking the rules of the MCU”, when no, the prior films did that already. Endgame’s crew really went “so we cured death, uhhhh, let’s just leave that problem to all the future writers.”

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134735: Oct 1st 2021 at 2:04:09 PM

x3[up] Honestly, I think this is one of the rare cases where The Amazing Spider-Man wins.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134736: Oct 1st 2021 at 2:05:24 PM

You could say he got a flashpoint.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134737: Oct 1st 2021 at 2:19:11 PM

Hell I made a comment ribbing about how he's the only one I can see play an Agent Venom and I got 600 upvotes.

Man he was a good Flash.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 1st 2021 at 2:19:42 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#134738: Oct 1st 2021 at 2:54:02 PM

Yeah, that's one thing I really liked about the first Amazing Spider-Man was how they handled Flash. He starts off as a stereotypical bully, but then they show a more human side to him when he offers his condolences to Peter after Uncle Ben dies. And by the end of the film, you see the two are on much better terms with each other and seem to be getting along pretty well.

I would've loved to see them explore that angle to their relationship in a sequel... but then The Amazing Spider-Man 2 happened and pretty much killed the franchise. tongue

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#134739: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:02:05 PM

Yeah. Despite my problems with The Amazing Spider-Man series. They really nailed Flash.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134740: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:04:30 PM

Yeah, Flash in the MCU isn't even a bully, he is just.....obnoxious. And embarassing.

And Flash in the Raimi-Trilogy....I can barely even remember a thing about him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134741: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:09:39 PM

MCU Flash is basically that loser who makes snide comments that no one likes.

...... Holy fuck right Flash and Peter share the same posse now. The fact they are in the same social circle and its clear that everybody only barely tolerates Flash as they much greatly prefer Peter makes Flash come across as even more of a loser.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#134742: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:22:00 PM

Flash in the Raimi trilogy is more of a standard jock jackass (with frosted tips because it was the 00's) very much in the Lee-Dikto-era characterization (as most of Raimi's trilogy is). He only plays a significant role in the first film and is just a bully. ASM Flash is technically the one closer to the mark by being a jock bully but also having some of Flash's more sympathetic traits added on later (like genuine admiration for spidey).

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#134743: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:27:33 PM

Flash being a Spidey fan was always part of his character. He got kidnapped by Doctor Doom because of it.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134744: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:30:30 PM

The thing is that a character like Flash - the Jerk Jock that gives nerds swirlies for not giving him lunch money - basically went obsolete by 2010. That jock-nerd relationship between Flash and Parker is no longer super-relatable, which means you either keep it straight out of legacy or try to modernize. The MCU tries for the latter.

Edited by Watchtower on Oct 1st 2021 at 6:30:57 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134745: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:31:55 PM

Flash in Spectacular Spider-Man was also a pretty cool character. Then again, what about that series was not cool?

(And please don't say "The fact that it didn't get a third Season." now please tongue)

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#134746: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:34:39 PM

Did Raimi Flash even appear outside of Spider-Man 1? I really don't remember him in 2 or 3. Just some generic unnamed bullies, like the guy with the mirror. Might have been neat if the Raimi series had continued to have seen him return, get some character development, maybe become a heroic Venom with that piece of the Symbiote Dr. Connors had. But probably wouldn't happen without Sony forcing it, given Raimi didn't want Venom in the first place.

As for MCU Flash, he's basically just comic relief at this point. He's not physically imposing and not all that popular, so all you're really left with is that he's an asshole. Heck, that guy who took a picture of Pete in Far From Home was closer to the antagonistic bully role. Also, standard Jerk Jock bullies do still exist, even if they're not as common and accepted as they used to be. But yeah, one would hope a school like the one MCU Peter is in wouldn't allow physical bullying, at the very least. So Flash probably couldn't get away with it even if he was the physical type.

Edited by FGHIK on Oct 1st 2021 at 5:40:34 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134747: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:35:17 PM

Granted it’s not like bullying went out of style. It’s still very much an issue, it’s just different.

The issue is as said Flash isn’t even a bully, he’s just this little douche that no one likes. Guy’s not even like captain of the debate club, he’s just another member whose around cause he’s technically qualified for good enough grades.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 1st 2021 at 3:36:01 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134748: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:40:34 PM

[up][up] He had a blink-and-miss cameo at Harry's funeral, but that's it.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#134749: Oct 1st 2021 at 3:56:36 PM

Flash was never much of a physical bully in general. His main thing was trading insults with Peter. The issue is that most versions of Peter are too nice for that, so they go for something else.

Comics Peter wasn't bullied for being a nerd, he was bullied for being very smug, and since he's not smug in the adaptations, Flash always comes off worse.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134750: Oct 1st 2021 at 4:37:34 PM

I'll be honest, I never really gave a shit about Flash in the movies ever. I know he's supposedly an interesting character in the comics, but he's such a generic Jerk Jock (which as others has said, is basically a Discredited Trope at this point) that I honestly couldn't care less about him.

I don't really like MCU Flash either, but I give him a little more leeway since he's portrayed by Tony Revolori. And I loooooved him in The Grand Budapest Hotel.

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