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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134626: Sep 28th 2021 at 5:23:26 PM

Though the point stands since Clark left Krypton before learning how to speak, meaning if he has an accent it would be from his life in Kansas.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134627: Sep 28th 2021 at 5:23:48 PM

Though Goku does have on in his Japanese voice.

Its actually noticeable if you compare it to how his son speaks.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#134628: Sep 28th 2021 at 5:26:01 PM

Yeah, and the fact that his English voice actor doesn't is a case of bad translation. The fact that he and Chi-Chi have hick accents is even a freakin' PLOT POINT when the characters are trying to deduce her identity.

But anyway, I'd say Yondu counts, and I hope we eventually get Rogue.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 28th 2021 at 5:28:03 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#134629: Sep 28th 2021 at 5:33:43 PM

Yeah, if and when X-Men is a thing in the MCU, Rogue is a must because she's one of the few X-Men mistakes that only happened once.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134630: Sep 28th 2021 at 5:43:13 PM

Gambit's also got that Cajun accent.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134631: Sep 28th 2021 at 5:47:22 PM

It's not quite the same as the twangy Southern one, but you can hear remnants of Anthony Mackie's native New Orleans accent in TFATWS. Which would make sense that the character slips into it more when around family.

(The actresses who play the Rambeaus don't affect one.)

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 28th 2021 at 7:48:39 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134632: Sep 28th 2021 at 6:19:30 PM

I mean, just because you live in the south doesn't always mean you have a thick accent. Maybe Monica just never picked up an accent while she lived in Georgia.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#134633: Sep 28th 2021 at 11:30:31 PM

Logically Clark Kent and Superman should have different accents, as another layer of his disguise.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134634: Sep 28th 2021 at 11:39:44 PM

It's kind of funny how some superheroes who still go for the whole Secret Identity deal with the voice thing.

Spidey for example gets away with it simply by the fact that his mask covers his entire face, muffling his voice.

Batman otoh wears a mask that leaves his mouth uncovered, so he takes advantage of Alfred's acting lessons to adopt a gruffer voice whenever he's in costume. You could hear the difference between "Bruce Wayne" and "Batman" in both the DCAU animated series and in the Christopher Nolan movie trilogy.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134635: Sep 28th 2021 at 11:53:51 PM

Arrow also utilized this in a great way.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#134636: Sep 28th 2021 at 11:54:14 PM

Thor (the MCU version) should probably have more of a Scandanavian or possibly Germanic accent rather than the pseudo-RP English one.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134637: Sep 28th 2021 at 11:55:15 PM

It wouldn’t be so much of a problem for superheroes to use their real voice if they didn’t keep running into people who know them personally out of costume.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134638: Sep 28th 2021 at 11:55:42 PM

Ah the faux-Shakespearean accent.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#134639: Sep 28th 2021 at 11:55:49 PM

He should also be a redhead tongue

Honestly, Marvel Thor never made that much sense. But he's cool, so we don't care.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134640: Sep 29th 2021 at 12:01:41 AM

Its your standard heroic build, popular all around the world.

Record of Ragnarok, a Japanese manga which features Thor does have him as a redhead but a slim muscular build

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thor_record_of_ragnarok.png

The most realistic depiction of Thor is prolly the recently unveiled God of War version where in a rare instance he has a very heavyset body.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thor_god_of_war_ragnarok_1900x.jpg

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 29th 2021 at 12:02:12 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#134641: Sep 29th 2021 at 1:34:20 AM

[up] Damn, now that is an anime sized hammer. Guy might as well be wielding a bus.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#134642: Sep 29th 2021 at 2:22:49 AM

The mythological Mjolnir had a handle that was apparently a bit too short, ironically enough. But then no Marvel version of Mjolnir in comics or films or any other medium has actually looked much like a real fighting hammer so...

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134643: Sep 29th 2021 at 2:28:36 AM

The handle was short enough that Thor couldn't safely wield the hammer without a customized iron glove. This was because Loki sabotaged the forging of the hammer in a vain attempt to win a bet.

The forging of Stormbreaker in Infinity War actually takes a cue from this. Remember that Thor couldn't hold the Iris open long enough, leading to Stormbreaker's original handle to be missing. Fortunately, Groot was able to use his own arm as a replacement.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134644: Sep 29th 2021 at 9:11:04 AM

[up][up][up] Oh yeah one cannot overstate how fucking massive that hammer is.

It has a fucking handle within the handle.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thor_anime_design_8.png

[up] Amusingly in Ragnarok's case the gauntlets are a power limiter, being designed to protect Mjolnir from the sheer force of Thor's swings.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134645: Sep 29th 2021 at 9:28:27 AM

So, I dunno if anyone saw the latest What If episode, but it raises some very interesting...implications for the main MCU timeline.

And no, I'm not talking about Ultron specifically.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 29th 2021 at 9:28:50 AM

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#134646: Sep 29th 2021 at 12:15:33 PM

[up] If you're referring to Zola, you're not the only one. Zola always struck me as the guy would make several copies of his artificial mind as backup.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#134647: Sep 29th 2021 at 12:18:23 PM

I hope this means he shows up in Captain America 4 as the main threat this time.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134648: Sep 29th 2021 at 12:28:48 PM

Amusingly Zola's thing is also Ultron thing's. Guy always has a back-up somewhere in the world.

A very important lesson there, always make lots of back-ups.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134649: Sep 29th 2021 at 2:12:45 PM

I'm so, so glad that Marvel's indicating that Zola could come back to the Sacred Timeline MCU later down the road. I think he's such a unique character, and him going over the grand HYDRA conspiracy in Winter Soldier is my favorite scene in the film.

I was also disappointed to learn that he was cut from Ant-Man. With the prospect of Hank and Arnim both having worked for S.H.I.E.L.D in The '70s, I think it would've been really cool for them to meet again, and perhaps mention they had an antagonistic relationship while at Camp Lehigh? It would've been cool world-building imo. But hey, it's great to see Toby Jones back as Zola. Then again, just a cameo in The Stinger would've satisfied me too. Just so long as we know he's still around. And now that we have that hint, I'm really stoked.

Jeez, I'm gushing wayyyy too much over this, haha.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#134650: Sep 29th 2021 at 6:06:36 PM

There are a lot of things that What If...? has fumbled with, like pacing problems and the lack of space and screentime to develop many of the story lines.

But one place they've definitely hit the mark perfectly is respecting Vision's power levels.

Seriously, it's a legit criticism of WandaVision that while we got more screentime with Vision, it wasn't with the real Vision. We were watching Wanda’s version of Vision, one largely defined by his relationship with her.

Vision: Before what!? Before WHAT!? I can't remember my life before Westview! I don't know who I am! I'm scared!
Wanda Maximoff: You are my husband. You're Tommy and Billy's father. Isn't that enough?

Hex Vision is…a lot goofier than the real Vision was in his movie appearances. And he's only really his movie self again in the last episode or two, where we actually see the real Vision again now acting as Hayward's White Vision.

Both What If...? episodes with Vision (the zombies, and Ultron) show just what lengths Vision will actually go to, what rules will he break to save the ones he loves and just how much power he has. This would be much more evidence in the live action films if he wasn't nerfed then fridged during Infinity War, although we definitely got some shades of it in Civil War (when he cut down that control tower and oneshotted Rhodey with a laser blast so powerful it would've killed Sam if Sam didn't dodge when he did).

What If...? is reminding us that Vision is not a cinnamon roll. He’s serious, and thoughtful, and intelligent, and crazy loyal to Wanda. And insanely powerful. I'd say a lot of people have forgotten that because they gave Vision very little to do in his films while we spent WandaVision with a doppelganger. Remember this bit when Vision was first born:

Bruce Banner: If we’re wrong about you, if you’re the monster that Ultron made you to be…

We now have our answer: absolutely nothing. And all of those who aren't Wanda Maximoff need to remember how lucky they are he chose to be on the side of the angels.

Edited by dmcreif on Sep 29th 2021 at 9:09:03 AM

Okey Dokey!

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