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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Just to note, the whole reason the Fox ban was a thing was because of X-Men: First Class. Marvel at the time was reacquiring all their licenses and they were hoping to swipe up the Fox properties after X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine weakened the franchise. First Class's critical and commercial success pulled it back into relevance and more importantly meant it was no longer for sale.
Thus was the goal of the Fox ban: to force the franchise back into irrelevance. The idea was to effectively strangle any non-film influence while also pushing Inhumans as "X-Men at home", under the belief that casual audiences wouldn't want to keep up with a franchise that would never be part of the MCU and that the MCU was also already kinda-sorta doing. And we know how that turned out.
Assuming nothing else changed then I imagine Ike would've dropped the ban once Disney bought Fox - at that point it would only hurt themselves. If anything Ike would probably push the X-Men into overdrive now that he truly owned them, probably would've even pushed for canonizing the FoX-verse as an alternate timeline just to keep as much goodwill from that fanbase as possible, storytelling be damned.
And that really is the fundamental difference between the two: Feige at his core is a film producer, Perlmutter at his core is a toy seller.
Edited by Watchtower on Sep 27th 2021 at 5:52:13 AM
Yeah, though it should be noted that the Square Enix Marvel games were truly finalized around 2014-2015 - the games are only coming out around now because that's how long AAA game dev takes nowadays. Capcom likely finalized MvCI around the same time, and the game being clearly made on the cheaper side helped it come out sooner.
Contrast that with MUA3, which was clearly locked in as the ban was coming down (we had known about the Fox buyout since ~2017 IIRC) and was a smaller game that could be pumped out more quickly. Likely similar cases between the NetEase games and Midnight Suns.
All of these should serve to highlight just how short in the grand scheme of things this whole ban really was, though coming at such a critical point in Marvel's build-up to cultural dominance still makes the effects huge.
Edited by Watchtower on Sep 27th 2021 at 9:40:42 AM
LEGO Marvel 2 actually doesn't anger me as much though with that. Why? Because they actually hid a joke in the game where a cooking show host complains about not being allowed to show certain ingredients onscreen for stupid legal reasons.
Well played, Traveler's Tales. Well played. None of that "people don't remember the X-Men" bullshit here.
Edited by lbssb on Sep 27th 2021 at 7:50:58 AM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks Marathonlol nice.
The MvCI dev responses have been memed to hell and back but I could never be too harsh on them. They had to take a game that explicitly cut out fan favorites because of corporate politics and still try to sell it as something worth buying despite that. There isn't a single answer they could give that the die-hard base wouldn't protest against and they had to know that. And they couldn't be honest because that would piss off their superiors, and they had to pretend they made the choices themselves because alluding otherwise would be too honest. Quite frankly, I can't blame them for desperately flopping around, they were sent out to die.
It probably doesn't help that the functions comment was made by a former pro FGC player, a group of people who are often stereotyped as legitimately believing in that line of thinking. Hell, the only reason Spencer was in Infinite is because this guy liked his playstyle in 3; from a character standpoint he's just a reminder of a shitty game that was quickly forgotten to time, so he may have legitimately thought that excuse would hold with other people if he couldn't give the real reason.
Edited by lbssb on Sep 27th 2021 at 10:25:28 AM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonStill looking for that First Blood poster in Iron Man. I just know it's there somewhere, no thanks to the closing credits thanking StudioCanal Image for use thereof, but I haven't been able to spot it.
On MvCI, I've also heard tell that Marvel didnt help fund the game like they have in the past. Marvel also didnt work with venues with the licensing, so the game skipped events like EVO.
It's all a shame, really. The game plays well. But the cards were stacked against it in every other category.
Edited by Zeromaeus on Sep 27th 2021 at 2:58:35 PM
At least now people can wait for a real MVC 4 now with mutants, blackjack, and hookers! That and the new Wolverine game.
Edited by Mizerous on Sep 28th 2021 at 3:17:50 PM
Just Makima.Man it’s a good thing Square Enix’s Avengers bombed or else they could have made an X-Men game in the same vein.
Now at least all we have to suffer through is a probably mediocre Guardians of the Galaxy game with a Star-Lord that oddly looks like Logan Paul and a Rocket with a dreadful little beard.
Edited by slimcoder on Sep 28th 2021 at 6:50:00 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Ugh, thanks for reminding me that Logan Paul exists.
Edited by M84 on Sep 28th 2021 at 4:18:39 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedHey hey not my fault the guy has a shitty haircut like the Paul Brothers.
Its pretty interesting to note that every time a game or show has a very or even apparent MCU inspired ensemble, it inspires a lot of derision. Avengers Assemble, Guardians of the Galaxy, the 2017 Spider-Man show, and Square's Avengers and Guardians game.
Edited by slimcoder on Sep 28th 2021 at 7:27:32 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."The MCU look especially early MCU is essentially the character designs distilled to be able to better make them fit in live-action.
Yeah it fits live-action but in a medium like cartoons and games which can handle the crazy it means less over the top designs comes across as duller.
Like how Captain America is wearing paintball gear in the Avengers game to make him look like he's wearing riot armor and has a very dark shade of blue.
Edited by slimcoder on Sep 28th 2021 at 7:31:46 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I mean, you could pass it off as conventional wisdom at the time.
It's dumbass conventional wisdom that I never got after I had Bionicle and Transformers figures of female characters that were great and that seemed like a loss for Avatar to not have toys of the likes of Katara and Azula, but it was conventional wisdom. Conventional Wisdom that was on it's death bed, if that, and really just an excuse he could claim to justify his misogyny
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