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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#134526: Sep 27th 2021 at 9:18:38 AM

I don't wanna rag on the guy too much, but man it's good Disney got rid of him on the film side of things. Could you imagine what could've happened with Phases 3 and 4 if he was still around?

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#134527: Sep 27th 2021 at 9:27:02 AM

We would have never have gotten Black Panther, Captain Marvel or Black Widow for starters. Ghost would have not been the villain of Ant Man and the Wasp, and if the character remained there would have been a male actor cast, with the Inhumans being shoehorned SOMEWHERE in there

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#134528: Sep 27th 2021 at 9:37:11 AM

[up]Now that's false. We would have gotten Black Panther and Captain Marvel because Perlmutter extortioned Fiege into greenlightening his Attack on X-Men- I mean Inhumans with their movies being held hostage so he could fuck over the X-Men franchise even more.

Also would have lost RBJ before Civil War, which would have undoubtedly caused issues down the line, because Perlmutter is such a master of buisness and knowing what will be worth making or who is worth working with. I mean, it's not like Patty Jenkins would make a film for a rival better then the version of Dark World we got

Edited by jdeo1997 on Sep 27th 2021 at 12:48:28 PM

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#134529: Sep 27th 2021 at 9:40:41 AM

Black Panther would definitely have that British accent.

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#134530: Sep 27th 2021 at 9:46:49 AM

[up] British accent? What British accent?

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#134531: Sep 27th 2021 at 11:21:51 AM

Initially Marvel thought of having T’Challa speak with a British accent but Chadwick Boseman turned that down, opting for a Xhosa accent instead, because he wanted to avoid the perception that European = smart and African = primitive.

Interestingly, Boseman did use a British accent when playing the Egyptian god of knowledge in Gods of Egypt, and that movie was terrible so I guess that’s where he soured to the idea.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 27th 2021 at 11:25:00 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#134532: Sep 27th 2021 at 11:26:43 AM

I swear Ike delayed Black Panther and Captain Marvel because Stan Lee was talking about the projects as early as The Avengers I think?

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#134533: Sep 27th 2021 at 11:27:47 AM

Good, now I’m imagining an alternate timeline where Idris Elba and Chadwick Boseman swapped roles.

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#134534: Sep 27th 2021 at 11:32:46 AM

> Black Panther would definitely have that British accent.

also most of the movie would have involved Black Panther as Fish out water in the US,and Wakanda would receive little attention

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134535: Sep 27th 2021 at 12:02:15 PM

Yeah, even if Black Panther and Captain Marvel were still done there's no way they would've turned out like they did. Shang-Chi would probably be continuing in Development Hell too.

Ike and the Creative Committee would've no doubt ran the franchise into the ground, probably only limping its way to Infinity War instead of confidently marching towards it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134536: Sep 27th 2021 at 12:06:36 PM

One of the major points of Black Panther was a primarily all-black cast with only 2 white people in a major role and even then as a supporting villain and character.

Obviously that would have never come to pass with Pearlmutter.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#134537: Sep 27th 2021 at 1:10:59 PM

Let's not forget that Shang Chi was originally slated for phase one.

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#134538: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:02:50 PM

[up][up][up] Not only would they be limping towards Infinity War, I guarantee the film would've been worse. Like I dunno, maybe pointless subplots thrown in, and Thanos would've lost at the end, only to go back in time and try to destroy the Earth earlier or something, thus making Endgame a pointless time-travel chase movie full of padding.

Also, I doubt the MCU would've made it to Phase 4. Or if it did, the Disney shows would've been butchered horribly.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 27th 2021 at 2:03:21 AM

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#134539: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:10:16 PM

If Ike were still in charge, we definitely wouldn't be getting that Insomniac Wolverine game. Ultimate Alliance 3 probably either wouldn't have happened or have gone down similar to MVCI as well.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134540: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:13:25 PM

On the other hand, he annoyed Joss Whedon so much that Whedon left the MCU so it’s not all bad. tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134541: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:17:54 PM

[up][up] Wasn't Ike only involved on the film side? Video games are a different division.

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#134542: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:19:51 PM

Dude was running Marvel,he would have had involvement in their video section if he could.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#134543: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:21:40 PM

[up]x3 That does beg the question of what a Whedon version of Infinity War/Endgame would look like. Probably not fun to work on, and I think he would've stuck with comic!Thanos' motivation/literal love of Death.

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Edited by Aleistar on Sep 27th 2021 at 5:22:05 AM

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#134544: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:24:29 PM

And Death would have been barefoot maybe

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134546: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:26:42 PM

I swear there was this video of What if Infinity War directed by Whedon.

One noticeable thing is that during Tony's one on one with Thanos every time he got hit it would always cut to the inside of his suit reacting and making a quip.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 27th 2021 at 2:26:54 AM

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#134547: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:27:08 PM

[up]x5 His insane mandates were the big reason for Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite's infamous roster problems, like having no F4 or X-Men characters, everybody being forced to look and act like their movie selves, etc.

Edited by lbssb on Sep 27th 2021 at 2:27:26 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134548: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:29:01 PM

I'm starting to wonder if there's a more ulterior reason for why Perlmutter hates the X-Men so much, aside from the spite of Fox still owning them at the time...

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 27th 2021 at 2:29:38 AM

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#134549: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:30:17 PM

[up]x7 Yeah, Perlmutter was in control of Marvel in general up until Feige got Disney to split the movie division from the rest due to him harming the production of Civil War irrc.

Also Perlmutter apparently had the villain of Iron Man 3 be Killian over the original female chouce because he said toys based on female characters don't sell. And then there were no promotional toys of Killian. Truly a galaxy-brained move

Edited by jdeo1997 on Sep 27th 2021 at 5:30:47 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134550: Sep 27th 2021 at 2:32:16 PM

[up] If anything, it just made his misogyny that much more obvious.

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