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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#134501: Sep 26th 2021 at 9:24:41 AM

The movie has the R-rating for Russia for "brief sexuality". Which probably means it won't be what some are hoping for.

Edit-This is top of the page...

Edited by DoubleOG on Sep 26th 2021 at 9:25:46 AM

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#134502: Sep 26th 2021 at 9:30:24 AM

That's not "different cultures have different values".
That's not what I said at all.
And that's not an equalizer, that's two sides being shit in different ways.
I agree with that. And I hope both sides will get it right someday. But it is kinda disheartening when people assume moral high ground and paint other nations black and white, while in truth the world we live in is mostly grey.

Edited by Asherinka on Sep 26th 2021 at 7:33:03 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#134503: Sep 26th 2021 at 10:21:51 AM

I think the weird thing was your wording of "societies evolve differently" when talking about how Russia is a inhumane hellhole fot LGBTQ people. Yeah, some places are worse and some places have retrograde laws in different ways, but it just feels like whataboutism.

This for example:

Also, it is not illegal to be gay, and technically the constitution guarantees equal rights to them (except gay marriages), but practically it is very hard to be openly proud about it.

This is functionally a Distinction Without a Difference as the entire global community knows. Outlawing being gay in public is just outlawing homosexuality with extra steps.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134504: Sep 26th 2021 at 10:53:10 AM

[up] Pretty much this. The post reads as "Hey, Russia is really bad with LGBT rights but it's also surprisingly good about abortion rights so things aren't that bad." And I get the "shades of grey" approach but it's so awkwardly forced it inadvertently comes off as trying to downplay Russia's LGBT views. Especially with the specific line "different societies evolve differently", as if Russia just happened to become said hellhole.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#134505: Sep 26th 2021 at 11:17:07 AM

Power Rangers got the same rating just because the yellow ranger vaguely states that she had a girlfriend.

So no, that Eternals is getting that rating does not mean that there's gonna be something explicitly sexual. The simple fact that there's the implication of LGBT themes is enough for Russia to make it 18+.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134506: Sep 26th 2021 at 12:19:21 PM

Oh man if we get Hulkling it be so cool if we get a royal wedding in space with Billy as he’s crowned king in space.

You can even do funny wedding shenanigans over both Kree and Skrull having to be at the same service.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134507: Sep 26th 2021 at 12:32:36 PM

I wonder if we're going to get more focus on the Kree soon. They kinda seem to be the new Greater-Scope Villain of the MCU now that Thanos is out of the way, and I'm curious to see how other heroes and organizations react to their presence...

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#134508: Sep 26th 2021 at 12:39:08 PM

They mentioned Kree sleeper-cells in Far From Home, and the Supreme Intelligence is presumably still out there (it being dethroned offscreen would be kind of a boring Anti-Climax). While they'll probably be focusing more on Kang and the multiverse for cosmic threats, I could see them being secondary Overarching Villains for stuff like Captain Marvel's movies or Secret Invasion.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Sep 26th 2021 at 12:42:00 PM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#134509: Sep 26th 2021 at 2:19:29 PM

One thing that's going to be interesting to see about Secret Invasion is how they'll handle Talos's physical appearance. Will he be in natural Skrull mode the majority of the time, or will he be in human disguise mode most of the time so we get more of Ben Mendelsohn's normal face? I could see them going with the latter given the larger amount of screentime.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134510: Sep 26th 2021 at 2:23:03 PM

Secret Empire in the MCU would be taking place roughly 30 years since Captain Marvel. Kellen would be too old in the present day.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134511: Sep 26th 2021 at 3:13:27 PM

[up] I don't think Talos would whether an old Director of S.H.I.E.L.D has aged past the point of his initial disguise. Not that he would use it much, given he's in space and all...

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134512: Sep 26th 2021 at 3:16:33 PM

I'll admit I didn't even realize the SHIELD director was also played by Talos's actor sans makeup until now.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#134513: Sep 26th 2021 at 4:36:52 PM

It helped that Mendelsohn uses an American accent while Talos is impersonating Keller.

Okey Dokey!
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#134514: Sep 26th 2021 at 5:02:22 PM

Ugh I hope we get a good Skrull villain because the Kree have been very bland villains so far.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134515: Sep 26th 2021 at 5:03:29 PM

Well the Fantastic Four are coming so might as well bring in the Super Skrull.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#134516: Sep 26th 2021 at 5:07:15 PM

I've heard some talk about Super Skrull being a good guy in the MCU, and I would be fine with that, but I think he REALLY needs to be a villain for at least ONE fight with the Fantastic Four. He can turn good after that point, but he needs to be evil at least for him to get their powers and fight them at least once.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134517: Sep 26th 2021 at 5:24:56 PM

I'd honestly like there to be both good Skrulls and evil Skrulls, in order to reflect on how there are virtuous and wicked people within a race. It'd be cool too, since the Skrulls were created in the 60s as stand-ins for communists and potential Soviet spies, so being able to play with that metaphor by having Skrulls who are legitimately nice people and Skrulls who are the Scary Dogmatic Aliens who aren't so different from the Kree would be a nice spinoff of the original idea.

Maybe the Super Skrull is an example of a wartime experiment that some less moral Skrulls created, and now he's gone off and become a legitimate threat.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 26th 2021 at 5:26:06 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134518: Sep 26th 2021 at 5:45:51 PM

One of the fun things about the Kree-Skrull War in the comics is that it's a case of Evil Versus Evil with humanity caught in the crossfire. The reinterpretation of Skrulls as refugees in the MCU works incredibly well but it does wind up significantly simplifying the conflict by making the Kree the unambiguous villains of it.

So I get torn between showing a bigger Skrull empire that racks up to the Kree's evil and showing more good or at least less Obviously Evil Kree to help offset, primarily either going with the latter (which is tricky as there's less notable Kree because they're not as fun) or doing a mix of both.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134519: Sep 26th 2021 at 5:50:02 PM

I would say introduce a Skrull royalist faction lead by Veranke.

Unlike many Skrulls who mainly want peace, this faction which is a pretty large enough group wants to bring back the Skrull empire of old and is willing to cow the other peaceful Skrull groups in line for more numbers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#134520: Sep 26th 2021 at 5:50:29 PM

I don't want Skrulls being super evil btw that was a good idea to make them a space equivalent to Jewish people being hunted by the Kree. Secret Invasion however is most known for evil Skrulls.

Edited by Mizerous on Sep 26th 2021 at 8:53:40 AM

Just Makima.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134521: Sep 26th 2021 at 6:03:27 PM

Yeah I’m concerned with what secret invasion will do because now that the MCU has made them refugees there’s so many ways to trip into some bad messages

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 26th 2021 at 9:08:50 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#134522: Sep 26th 2021 at 6:04:31 PM

I'm pretty sure the presence of Talos as one of the main characters of Secret Invasion means that the villains of Secret Invasion will be a smaller splinter cell of Skrulls, probably with a valid reason to fight but taking it too far.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134523: Sep 26th 2021 at 6:27:54 PM

My WMG for Secret Invasion is that Talos will eventually obtain his super strength from the comics at the expense of losing his ability to shapeshift. That way he has a fighting edge against potential evil Skrulls, but at a personal cost.

Also, whether it be Secret Invasion or The Marvels, I reeeaaally want a scene of Monica and Talos's daughter squeeing and hugging each other after not seeing one another for over 30 years. If Talos's daughter appears again.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 26th 2021 at 6:28:15 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134524: Sep 27th 2021 at 9:12:38 AM

Oh hey, remember that guy who used to be the CEO of Marvel Entertainment and was responsible for so much of the Executive Meddling that existed in the MCU's first two phases? Looks like he's in trouble.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 27th 2021 at 9:12:56 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134525: Sep 27th 2021 at 9:15:10 AM

Yeah, Perlmutter is a known friend/financial supporter of Trump, so his...uh, conservative sensibilities wrt the MCU are not surprising (and vice versa). So I guess what goes around comes around.


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