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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#134427: Sep 25th 2021 at 11:04:56 AM

Her fourth wall breaking could also be along the lines of Frank Underwood or Malcolm. Someone who acknowledges the camera for their inner feelings but rarely much more than that. Deadpool not only does that but talks about studio politics, references his actor, has crazy things happen to camera etc.

In short deadpools a much harder breaker of the fourth wall.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#134428: Sep 25th 2021 at 11:10:09 AM

She-Hulk doesn't break the fourth wall as consistently as Deadpool; it's very much a Depending on the Writer thing.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134430: Sep 25th 2021 at 11:15:17 AM

Except in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!, where Maria was more Ambiguously Brown.

In the comics Maria Hill is Latina but in the movies Joss Whedon cared zip about that.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#134431: Sep 25th 2021 at 11:25:59 AM

It's rarely focused on if I understand correctly. She's a quarter but it's not really brought up much. It's how like selina kyle is latina but she could also be italian. I feel like a lot could be said about that.

Edited by jjjj2 on Sep 25th 2021 at 4:10:28 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#134432: Sep 25th 2021 at 12:30:59 PM

On the subject of Deadpool, I'd love it if, in his own movie he uses the established style of 4th wall breaks from the Fox films, but when guest starring the "camera" he talks to isn't actually the audience's perspective. Thus allowing the audience to see Deadpool 4th wall breaks from the perspective of the other characters.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134433: Sep 25th 2021 at 12:41:14 PM

[up][up] She's also regularly drawn like a white woman so no one reading would be aware unless they dug really deep.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#134434: Sep 25th 2021 at 2:25:42 PM

Yeah, it's basically enough of an Informed Attribute and sufficiently obscure that it's unlikely Whedon would've known, and also would've made for some really Unfortunate Implications if they stuck to her original comics characterization.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 25th 2021 at 5:26:39 AM

ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#134435: Sep 25th 2021 at 2:37:52 PM

Wow, even this thread isn't immune to the Atlantic hurricane season if so many puns on Nick Fury, Maria Hill, and Phil Coulson get dropped in such quick succession.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134436: Sep 25th 2021 at 2:44:43 PM

Yeah, it doesn't Sitwell with me, if I'm being honest.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134437: Sep 25th 2021 at 2:49:41 PM

I gotta Hand it to the thread for these puns.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134438: Sep 25th 2021 at 2:50:30 PM

and also would've made for some really Unfortunate Implications if they stuck to her original comics characterization.

I don’t agree; the aforementioned Amanda Waller shows it’s possible to write an engaging character of color who’s a ruthless agent, provided one doesn’t make them Stupid Evil. And since the movies didn’t use that characterization of Hill, if anything it gives its own Unfortunate Implications that the reasonable Hill is the white one.

Anyway, May my tangent not Ward off the puns.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 25th 2021 at 2:51:18 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#134439: Sep 25th 2021 at 2:51:58 PM

Russia just gave Eternals an R-rating. Three guesses as to why that is...

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 25th 2021 at 2:52:14 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134440: Sep 25th 2021 at 2:53:04 PM

Same reason fucking Miitopia is rated 18+, I assume. tongue

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#134441: Sep 25th 2021 at 3:06:15 PM

I have a sinking feeling that the LGBT representation in the film will be literally a kiss or two, and then the Eternal's partner gets killed off so that he'll have angst for the rest of the film. And yet something like that still makes other countries angry enough to age-restrict or ban films because they think it's propaganda or some crap.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#134442: Sep 25th 2021 at 3:52:29 PM

I should hope not, I expect it's much more likely that Phastos' husband will be an Advertised Extra who exists just to provide a token gay kiss before vanishing to the void.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134443: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:08:07 PM

I recently ran across that great scene after comics Civil War where Thor... er... has words with Tony, and I got to thinking about how a scene like that could be adapted to the MCU.

The strict circumstances of the scene would never work in the MCU. The Accords in the films weren't about quite the same thing as in the comics, and Tony himself is nowhere near as draconian and arguably megalomaniacal in the MCU as he can get in the comic, doing none of the heinous acts Thor condemns him for in the scene nor being the kind of person who would do those things. Plus, Tony's dead.

But the idea of the scene is something that would still have a good amount impact in the right story. Like, I'm thinking if we get a plot where X government tries to control New Asgard on Earth, and we get a version of this scene in which Thor role is instead taken by Valkyrie. It could be a great moment of transition between "retired administrator" Valkyrie to "still badass warrior leader" Valkyrie, should we - fingers crossed - ever get that movie or show about the character.

All that's missing is a morally ambiguous superhero who beats to the government's drum to fill the "Tony" side of the concept, something the MCU has somewhat surprisingly never actually done, even as an antagonist.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 25th 2021 at 4:09:12 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#134444: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:16:04 PM

I think as of right now Walker from Falcon & Winter Soldier (a.k.a "US Agent") is the closest.

I'd actually like seeing that scene with a more Endgame-era-ish approach Thor. Mostly because it'd be a good story beat having the depressed and unimpressive Thor having a Let's Get Dangerous! moment and looking like a true god of thunder.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#134445: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:16:42 PM

Valkyrie: -shaking Tony's corpse- "STARRRRK, I would have words with you!"

Rocket: "Even I think this is in bad taste"

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134446: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:22:14 PM

Thor could use those moments.

He’s had a pretty shit decade so it be cool if he reminds people that he’s still a God of Thunder.

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#134447: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:24:08 PM

My only regret is that he didn't kick the shit out of Reed Richards too.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134448: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:26:24 PM

Thor often played kind of a secondary or non-confrontational role in most of the ensemble movies, except the first one.

In the second one he's just kind of around, and skives off to handle his own stuff during the film, and in the third he gets a major subplot, but it's a subplot that - except at the very beginning and end - explicitly takes him away from the main conflict.

He only rarely gets those big one-on-one "[VILLAIN!] I WOULD HAVE WORDS WITH YOU!" moments outside his own movies.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 25th 2021 at 4:30:15 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134449: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:31:20 PM

They never do the famous lines from the books.

We didn’t get “We would have words with thee” with Ultron and neither did we get the famous “One Man” speech Cap gave to Thanos when he was last standing him.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#134450: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:36:26 PM

[up]

We may not have gotten the speech, but I've already stated (and it made it into the Fridge Brilliance page) that the moment did exist when he started walking towards Thanos' entire army when he was seemingly the only one left.

But I do agree we've missed a lot of classic lines.

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