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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#134401: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:43:53 AM

It occurs to me Maria Hill is like Marvel's equivalent to Amanda Waller

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#134402: Sep 25th 2021 at 6:36:20 AM

Just as well. Comics Hill is basically Amanda Waller without the Rule of Cool and likeable traits.

Or distinctive body type. Amanda Waller is an overweight black woman; how many of those do you see in prominent roles? Maria Hill is Slim White Woman #8586.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 25th 2021 at 6:36:45 AM

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#134404: Sep 25th 2021 at 6:45:58 AM

In the comics she's in the white house reporting to Ragan of all presidents

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 25th 2021 at 1:47:57 PM

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#134405: Sep 25th 2021 at 8:15:24 AM

[up]Wasn't she created in 2005? I don't think she ever reported to Reagan.

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#134406: Sep 25th 2021 at 8:17:02 AM

I'm talking about Waller

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#134407: Sep 25th 2021 at 8:17:40 AM

Yeah Amanda Waller actually did work under Resgan during the original Suicide Squad run.

And she hated it cause she considered Reagan a clown who starts all his problems.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 25th 2021 at 8:17:59 AM

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#134408: Sep 25th 2021 at 8:32:20 AM

I come back here after going to sleep and I see a Hurricane of Hill Puns.

This Phils me with exhaustion.

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#134409: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:06:36 AM

Oh man seeing Bruce and Jen interact is gonna be a hoot.

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#134410: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:08:41 AM

Why did they write her as flirtatious towards or in proximity to Bruce

I know that she can be like that but consider where you’re making her aim it, the writers

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#134411: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:11:02 AM

I honestly know nothing about She-Hulk, so I don't know what the character was originally conceived as

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#134412: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:11:56 AM

From other clips I've seen, I think they just write her as generally flirtatious in the 90s animated shows.

So she's prolly a little narcissistic.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 25th 2021 at 9:12:23 AM

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#134413: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:12:01 AM

I hope Bruce gets a decent amount of screentime in She-Hulk. I want plentiful scenes of the cousins annoying each other.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 25th 2021 at 9:16:58 AM

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#134414: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:16:13 AM

[up][up] Doesn't help that in Jen's first appearance on that show, Bruce calls her his soul mate.

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#134415: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:17:07 AM

Okay so Ultimate Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are a better fit in the 90s.

Cause Sweet Home Alabama.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 25th 2021 at 9:17:28 AM

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#134416: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:19:28 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Originally, she was just a distaff version of the Hulk created so Marvel could squat on the rights before the Hulk tv show could try anything.

Jennifer Walters was basically the Hulk. She got a blood transfusion from Bruce after being shot a lot by gangsters. Stress or anger or being threatened made her Hulk out, she couldn't really control it, She-Hulk was basically a different person than herself. Hulking slowly ruined her life and made it spin out of control.

About halfway into her original series though, Jen just decided fuck it I'm going to keep being She-Hulk because my actual life is garbage. And although she reconciled with her family and friends by the end, I think that stretch of plot is what influenced her characterization going forward.

When she starts guest starring in Two-in-one and Avengers and whatever else, she's She-Hulk full time with seldom a mention of Jen. When Plot Shenanigans in Avengers force her to revert to Jen, she freaks out because She-Hulk has become her real life.

The two-in-one and Avengers appearances become the thing where she's the fun loving Hulk who loves being a Hulk.

Also, she's a lawyer in her original series. I don't know how long it took her to become a lawyer again considering she ditched California where her license was and she considered become a fitness instructor over applying for a New York license during her stint on the Avengers. But eventually her thing became that shes the Other Superhero Lawyer, after Daredevil.

So thats the basic synopsis.

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 25th 2021 at 12:20:38 PM

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#134417: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:21:50 AM

Hmm. Interesting.

Gotta wonder how she'll feel about Bruce reverting back to her natural form after Endgame in the MCU...

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#134418: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:26:17 AM

"Now I can carry you under arm"

"Please don't"

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#134419: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:27:35 AM

Daredevil's a defense attorney, what is She-Hulk's lawyer job? If she's a prosecutor, she and Daredevil could go head-to-head in the same case.

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#134420: Sep 25th 2021 at 9:31:06 AM

She tends to be a defense lawyer too.

Although the two of them have gone head to head in a court with Captain America as the defendant

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#134421: Sep 25th 2021 at 10:16:07 AM

Y'know, I kinda wanna see Jennifer Walters and Matt Murdock get apprehended by the TVA and attempt to be defense lawyers in their Kangaroo Court. I feel like that would lead to some funny hijinks.

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#134422: Sep 25th 2021 at 10:25:19 AM

Wonder if she'll do her fourth wall breaks or not? Especially since Deadpool's already coming.

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#134423: Sep 25th 2021 at 10:29:44 AM

They could adapt her 4th-wall breaking differently than with Deadpool. With Deadpool, he talks directly into the camera, confusing all the other characters around him. With She-Hulk, she could be a self-aware narrator, with her actual character not showing any hints of 4th-wall awareness.

And then they do a big crossover with Deadpool able to hear Narrator She-Hulk and converse with her.

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#134425: Sep 25th 2021 at 10:40:53 AM

Do a fake documentary style like the office but have She Hulk be the only one who ever addresses the camera

Or do like the dan Slott run did and have the fourth wall nonsense be interacting with marvel inside marvel

Have her pop in the Avengers dvd and watch it for one of her cases

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 25th 2021 at 1:41:50 PM

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