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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#134376: Sep 24th 2021 at 7:52:01 PM

[up][up] I mean, honestly? Deadpool does fucked up stuff all the time and gets away with it because it's Played for Laughs. I don't mind seeing him actually get some shit for once.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134377: Sep 24th 2021 at 7:52:34 PM

[up][up] Thats a funny thing to say considering how hard Marvel tends to synergize with the MCU.

Oh right the Inhumans were also in Agents of Shield.

[up] I get that. Its just Coulson being the reason for it is just so over the top. He kills this one single guy and everyone loses their fucking minds over it. And no one cares that Punisher willingly aligned with Hydra as their attack dog for even less justifiable reasons Wade did.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 24th 2021 at 7:54:15 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134378: Sep 24th 2021 at 7:56:58 PM

Coulson was always in a weird spot, because there were frankly tons of characters who already did what Coulson does in the comics. Right hand secret agent of Nick Fury? Yup. Government agent who becomes friends and close allies with the superhero community? Yup. Unflappable man in black type? Yup.

Honestly, there's probably a character in all those niches per each hero at this point, let alone in general. One of the pitfalls of doing Canon Immigrant is bringing a character from a setting where there's nobody in their niche to a setting where there's an abundance of characters in their niche.

So learning that the character kind of meandered for a while before dying and ending up on team evil doesn't surprise me.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 24th 2021 at 7:58:12 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134379: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:07:28 PM

Coulson's a fine character, and I wouldn't mind him coming back to the MCU again outside of What If.

Never watched Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D though, due to how long and crazy the show seems to be, and because I'm somewhat convinced the show will enter Canon Discontinuity status at some point.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#134380: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:14:21 PM

I think it already is at this point, between the Darkhold and (IIRC) the last season being incongruent with WandaVision and Endgame, respectively.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134381: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:17:47 PM

Uncontroversial opinion: nobody should avenge Maria Hill.

She's the worst.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#134382: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:29:26 PM

That's one thing we can give the MCU, they gave us a version of Maria Hill who's actually likeable.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134383: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:43:53 PM

People hate Maria Hill? I never thought she was that bad...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134384: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:52:37 PM

She is very disliked yes. Her role as a character is to be the obstructive government agent who is obsessed with turning the heroes in obedient pawns of the government and does so with inhuman cruelty.

Actually in Secret Empire she did contribute to Deadpool's fall from grace, as Wade tried to make amends for killing Coulson by bringing important info that would have helped the heroes win the war only for Hill to teleport a parking lot on top of him and steal the info for herself. And when the heroes eventually went after Wade, she coordinated the assault on him with no one the wiser that she is purposely screwing him over for her own benefit and sadism.

She is in the top 10 of the worst human beings alive.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 24th 2021 at 8:53:31 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#134385: Sep 24th 2021 at 8:53:27 PM

She is generally portrayed as very crazy. Remember when she tried to shoot Cap because he thought the whole SHRA was really shady?

Or in EMH, when she tried to arrest the Avengers while HYDRA and AIM turned New York into a war zone?

Wake me up at your own risk.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#134386: Sep 24th 2021 at 9:38:08 PM

She's good in the MCU, though. I'm betting the main characters in Secret War are going to be Nick Fury, Talos, and Maria Hill as a trio.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 24th 2021 at 9:38:27 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134387: Sep 24th 2021 at 9:41:33 PM

Funny enough, What If Maria Hill leans into comic Maria if Nick Fury is incapacitated.

[up][up][up] Is Gyrich in that top 10 list? Because I personally hate him and wish him a thousand wedgies.

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 24th 2021 at 12:42:21 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134388: Sep 24th 2021 at 9:51:01 PM

Oh yeah that guy is an absolute tool.

Fucking government shit-heads.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134389: Sep 24th 2021 at 10:28:27 PM

At this point, I'm think the ship on comics accurate Maria has sailed. I think MCU Maria Hill might have ended up like comics Maria if, during the Avengers 1 era, they gave her more focus.

Instead, she was basically just used as Fury's Number Two, and MCU Fury was all for the age of heroes, so Maria went along with it without objection. It'd be a bit jarring if she suddenly turned draconian authoritarian now.

Just as well. Comics Hill is basically Amanda Waller without the Rule of Cool and likeable traits.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 24th 2021 at 10:28:53 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134391: Sep 24th 2021 at 10:36:42 PM

There are better Hills to die on, anyway.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134393: Sep 24th 2021 at 10:50:28 PM

Do you find these puns to be Hill-arious?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#134394: Sep 24th 2021 at 10:52:05 PM

If you love hills so much, why don't you Maria Hill?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#134395: Sep 24th 2021 at 10:56:07 PM

We are making a mountain out of a mole-Hill.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#134398: Sep 25th 2021 at 12:50:39 AM

What in the Maria Hill is going on here?

But seriously though, government agents in Marvel are always assholes.

I still remember Nick Fury from Ultimate Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#134400: Sep 25th 2021 at 4:37:24 AM

So this is the Hill you die on...

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