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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134276: Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:02:37 PM

Looks like Dazzler was originally created to emulate disco music. And well...I think that could actually work? Disco is popular again. Nowadays, people don't really care about the "disco sucks" bullshit from the end of the 70's.

If they wanted to update Dazzler then making her an electronic music performer could work.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134277: Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:15:31 PM

So she's into retro music, throwbacks are a thing.

Its not really that hard to work with. Plus you can prolly do something cool with the soundtrack there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134278: Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:21:44 PM

I'd say, why limit yourself to one genre? I think it'd be cool if Dazzler was like a song genre chameleon whose powers change based on what she's listening to.

Plus, her listening to one type of music over and over would ultimately start to feel like a retreading of Peter Quill.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#134279: Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:55:28 PM

Well, she is a performer with some level of fame, so the idea of using her own material in the middle of a heated fight is pretty fun, compared to Peter, who basically never grew up.

... Anything based on her is gonna look like some kind of band movie or Jukebox Musical, isn't it?

Edited by Blueace on Sep 23rd 2021 at 12:56:24 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134280: Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:56:54 PM

Heck, in the current comics she has more or less invented her own genre of music on Krakoa.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134281: Sep 23rd 2021 at 9:06:13 PM

Well, there's two ways to go about it.

Dazzler doesn't really have to be disco specific. Dazzler's whole thing was being a hip, young heroine who played the hip music of the young kids of the day. The hip music of the kids at the time was disco, so that's what she played. It's something else now. So have her play something modern now, to keep her concept current.

It's like how Josie and the Pussycats went from being a psychaedelic R&B band to a rock band in modern adaptations: what the character would be about in the modern day is different. Make her a rap/hip hop based, or a K-pop singer, or a Japanese idol, or whatever.

But, if you want to keep her disco specific... to be honest, disco never really went away. Deader Than Disco is an old meme, but that doesn't mean it was ever really accurate. People still play disco all the time, a lot of disco classics are still mainstays with party music (heck, if you went ahead with the above and re-imagined her as hip hop based, she could probably still play disco here and there regardless), and it was one of the building blocks of subsequent pop music genres so you could even have her be a Michael Jackson-style singer instead and it would still resonate.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 23rd 2021 at 9:12:17 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134282: Sep 23rd 2021 at 9:22:20 PM

Just make her a singer who constantly reinvents herself like David Bowie.

PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#134283: Sep 23rd 2021 at 9:55:20 PM

Marvel introducing a disco themed character in 1979 will never not be funny.

I can absolutely see her reinvented as a modern pop star though. That’s all she really was at the time, with an unintentionally retro aesthetic

Edit: it’s also great that she was introduced during the dark Phoenix saga, which went on to be one of the most iconic and tragic x-men stories, but also features an inexplicable side story of some of the team going to a Dazzler show

Edited by PizzaDog11 on Sep 24th 2021 at 2:57:22 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134284: Sep 23rd 2021 at 10:12:24 PM

Ya know the fact they will most likely never do a Dark Phoenix story might mean Jean Grey gets some focus as an actual character.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134285: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:42:46 PM

What with Shang Chi being in part a blunt Jackie Chan homage, I wonder what characters Jackie himself could play in a future film.

I could see him playing someone like Agamotto or Watoomb in a flashback.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134286: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:44:39 PM

Shang Chi's more of a Bruce Lee homage.

And tbh, I don't want to see that CCP shill in future MCU movies.

Edited by M84 on Sep 24th 2021 at 2:45:58 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134287: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:46:29 PM

Comics Shang Chi is a Bruce Lee homage.

Movie Shang Chi is very obviously Jackie Chan inspired instead.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:48:55 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#134288: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:50:21 PM

Yeah I'm good with not seeing Jackie Chan in the MCU, to be honest.

I'd actually want to see Chow Yun-fat in some role in the future though, preferably some cool Gun Fu based one. Maybe Orson Randall (the predecessor Iron Fist to Danny who uses chi-based Gun Fu).

Edited by Gaon on Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:51:19 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134289: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:53:42 PM

Heck, I don't want to see Jackie Chan in future movies in general.

Edited by M84 on Sep 24th 2021 at 2:53:59 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134290: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:58:51 PM

Didn't he abandon his daughter to homelessness for being gay?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134291: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:02:51 AM

Yes. She was homeless for a month as a result of her estrangement from her family over it.

His relationship with his son was also kind of shit for a while due to cutting him off for years after his son's arrest for drug possession and use. They've apparently reconciled now though.

Jackie Chan's not Father of the Year is what I'm saying.

Edited by M84 on Sep 25th 2021 at 3:04:39 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134292: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:45:28 AM

Well fuck Goddamn.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134293: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:46:26 AM

The CCP shill thing is even worse when you recall that Jackie Chan is from Hong Kong and supports what the CCP is doing to Hong Kong now.

Edited by M84 on Sep 25th 2021 at 3:47:26 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#134294: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:46:40 AM

Well, that's disappointing and distressing.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134295: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:48:45 AM

So yeah, that's why I'm fine with Jackie Chan never showing up in the MCU.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#134296: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:49:33 AM

I had no idea that Jackie Chan is such a shitty person. That's super disappointing.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134297: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:51:31 AM

...Y'know, this is like the third or fourth time I've unwittingly been a Bearer of Bad News for people on these threads concerning media creators being garbage people.

Dare I mention why it'd be best for Dazzler to not be too much like David Bowie too?

Edited by M84 on Sep 25th 2021 at 3:51:57 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134298: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:52:48 AM

Oh for fucks sake and I don't even listen to Bowie.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 24th 2021 at 12:53:17 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134299: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:54:21 AM

Let's just say it makes rewatching Labyrinth more uncomfortable.

Edited by M84 on Sep 25th 2021 at 3:54:30 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134300: Sep 24th 2021 at 12:54:52 AM

Anyone have any ideas for who could play Leiko Wu?


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