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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134251: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:12:23 PM

[up][up]Yes.

Mystique's been a terrible mother to all three of her children in the comics.

Edited by M84 on Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:12:59 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#134252: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:17:07 PM

No, there's literally no way she's worse than Ragyo Kiryuiin. Unless this is the Ultimates universe, Marvel wouldn't be allowed to make her worse than Ragyo. Ragyo raped her children.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134253: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:17:46 PM

Her other child Graydon Creed whom she had with Sabretooth....... yes that Sabretooth.

They both abandoned him after they find out he's not a Mutant leading him to grow up to be an anti-Mutant and founding the Friends of Humanity hate-group leading him to eventually be murdered by his own mother.

Amusingly Sabretooth was the better parent of the 2 on the grounds that he at least respected that Graydon became his own man if he wanted to genocide him and later on does genuinely care about him far more than Mystique ever did.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:18:29 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134254: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:19:28 PM

[up][up]Mystique shot and killed one, threw one off a cliff right after he was born (fortunately for Kurt he already had his teleportation power so he bamfed himself to safety instinctively)...and that's not even getting into all of the shit she's put Rogue through as a twisted My Beloved Smother.

Edited by M84 on Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:23:09 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#134255: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:23:04 PM

"What If...Spider-Man Defected to Team Cap during the airport fight?"

I think a What If for Cap's team recruiting him instead would be more plausible. I'm kind of doubtful about him being convinced to switch sides mid-fight. I mean, we know from his line "Mr. Stark said you would say that." that Tony already considered the possibility of Cap trying to talk him down, and had prepared Spidey to not be willing to listen.

Of course, you might need Ant-Man on team Iron Man to balance things out. Which I actually could see happening. Tony definitely has the resources to track him down, and while Scott has a bad history with the law, he could see this as a chance to show the world he isn't a villain. Hank would be even more pissed off of course, but Scott seems to have a knack for angering him anyway.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134256: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:32:22 PM

It's kind of ironic that Mystique and Rogue apparently had a close relationship in the comics, and yet the Fox X-Men movies barely had them interact with one another...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134257: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:40:01 PM

Eh, the MCU also paid a ton of canon relationships dust.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134258: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:42:05 PM

Fair point, fair point.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134259: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:43:33 PM

The result of early superhero films being very pragmatic adaptations that distil a lot of concepts to make them more simple for film.

But now that we're embracing more stuff from the comics there is a new expectation of further accuracy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134260: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:45:12 PM

Now if we don't get Billy and Tommy reincarnated into the bodies of random teenaged New Yorkers in Doc Strange 2, why even try?

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134261: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:46:33 PM

I'm just worried the name X-Men will be Adapted Out, if Victoria Alonso's recent words are to go by.

Like, I'm all for equal rights and inclusivity, but come on.

[up] I miss those kids.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:47:17 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134262: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:49:25 PM

Wait what about the name?

They might change it because it has men in it?

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:49:49 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134263: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:50:27 PM

I...think? There's an article floating around that describes it better, but I'm juggling a lot of things at the moment, so I can't go searching for it

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134264: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:52:29 PM

Apparently Victoria Alonso has commented that the name "X-Men" is not inclusive enough.

...Which kicked up a Twitter shitstorm, but when I actually tried to source the comment, I could only find sites on the level of Boundingintocomics and wegotthiscovered talking about this 2019 interview, where she basically says it as a joking aside.

So I think mountain molehill.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 23rd 2021 at 7:53:36 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134265: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:57:32 PM

Oookay. If it's WGTC, immediately disregard my comment.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134266: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:58:04 PM

Huh so its just a rib then.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134267: Sep 23rd 2021 at 6:01:25 PM

Thank god thank god. Sorry for the misinfo

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134268: Sep 23rd 2021 at 6:02:15 PM

Here is a 2019 article that mentions it.

The timing of it going viral is so suspect, too, like right after she got a big promotion? Ugh.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:02:47 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134269: Sep 23rd 2021 at 6:03:18 PM

Victoria Alonso has done really well within the company, right? What did she do before being promoted?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134270: Sep 23rd 2021 at 6:08:08 PM

Before becoming an executive producer on MCU films, Alonso was a visual effects producer for other Hollywood films.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134271: Sep 23rd 2021 at 6:13:34 PM

Nice.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134272: Sep 23rd 2021 at 6:34:24 PM

Victoria Alonso, Louis D'Esposito, and Sarah Finn have been with the MCU since day 1 and are about as pivotal to Marvel Studios as Kevin Feige himself. They and who are listed on the Wikipedia article as the "Parliament" are about as much as we know of the "inner circle" that has kept this train chugging.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134273: Sep 23rd 2021 at 7:43:33 PM

I don't think 80s nostalgia is that popular these days but either way, I don't see why Dazzler can't be updated. There's no more reason to keep her a Fad Super than someone like Luke Cage who has also been updated for modern audiences.

Edited by windleopard on Sep 23rd 2021 at 7:43:49 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#134274: Sep 23rd 2021 at 7:47:48 PM

Wasn't Dazzler more 70's? I thought she was a disco-themed hero.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#134275: Sep 23rd 2021 at 7:47:57 PM

I think she had a punk redesign in the past ten years or so

Really, you can slap her onto a lot of music genres as long as they're popular or cult popular

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

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