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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134226: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:36:10 AM

[up] Maybe get one of the kids from Stranger Things to play her? Or is that too obvious?

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#134227: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:36:49 AM

Dazzler is a walking disco homage whose powers turn sound into light, meaning she sparkles a fair bit. I guess you could do some genre mix with her, but it'd take someone with more music knowledge than me to say something more concrete.

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#134229: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:45:01 AM

...there was an April Fools joke in 2014 that said Dazzler was going to be played by Lady Gaga.

I'd unironically love to see that, not gonna lie.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134230: Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:53:21 AM

Maybe use the Legacy Virus in some fashion, considering we're hot on the heels of COVID-19 (though not as a bioweapon as that would fuel conspiracy theories, but I can see Legacy Virus as naturally occurring and the government going "ah fuck 'em, just let them die" as a transparent metaphor for how governments let the oppressed die in the face of COVID)

Given all the queer metaphors with the X-men, it wouldn’t even have to parallel COVID, but rather the AIDS epidemic.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 23rd 2021 at 11:53:36 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134231: Sep 23rd 2021 at 12:04:18 PM

That is, if Marvel is willing to showcase more queer characters. But yes, that would be an interesting idea, even if AIDS isn't a death sentence anymore.

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#134232: Sep 23rd 2021 at 12:48:35 PM

They don't have the stones to do a story like that in a movie,but maybe in a TV show it would stand a better chance

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#134233: Sep 23rd 2021 at 2:49:33 PM

Given all the queer metaphors with the X-men, it wouldn’t even have to parallel COVID, but rather the AIDS epidemic.

That was in fact the metaphor the Legacy Virus stood for when it was created in the 90's. I went for COVID because A) its more "topical" B) I am absolutely sure Disney does not have the guts to do a "AI Ds affecting the gay community" story even in metaphor form, but a COVID-ish story sounds more plausible to me (as COVID was more "universal" rather than a "gay issue").

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#134234: Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:04:33 PM

Disney sort of did an AIDS metaphor previously with Beauty and the Beast (which was written by Howard Ashman after he contracted AIDS) but granted that story used a magic curse while a in-universe disease would be more obvious a parallel.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134235: Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:47:10 PM

Dazzler is a walking disco homage whose powers turn sound into light, meaning she sparkles a fair bit. I guess you could do some genre mix with her, but it'd take someone with more music knowledge than me to say something more concrete.

Dazzler isn't really difficult to update. Though there may be a couple aesthetic changes, at the end of the day the ways that big, flashy pop stars present themselves hasn't really changed since the disco days / 80's, and it'd be easy for Dazzler to represent modern pop without changing all that much about her.

Hell, they could go the extra mile and make her K-Pop inspired, and you wouldn't see much difference.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#134236: Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:48:38 PM

There’s so much 80s nostalgia nowadays that Dazzler honestly wouldn’t look out of place today, if as a homage to that time instead of a straight example.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134237: Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:53:28 PM

I was down for Carly Rae Jepsen Dazzler (basically just 80s-ish synthpop), but K-Pop Dazzler is the most inspired modernization idea ever and now I want it.

Not that I can really see them using the character for more than an Easter Egg like Dark Phoenix did.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:54:11 AM

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#134238: Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:55:32 PM

[up] Which is why she can be used again she was barely in Dark Phoenix, and that is a good thing considering how Mystique was treated.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134239: Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:56:34 PM

I mean I think if they use her it'll basically be like how Dark Phoenix used her, ie. a brief musical cameo.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134240: Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:58:40 PM

Huh ya know we'll prolly get a more accurate Mystique that is neither Magneto's dragon or hero of the X-Men.

Maybe even some emphasis on being Nightcrawler and Rogue's mom.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 23rd 2021 at 3:59:06 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#134241: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:10:21 PM

I wonder if we'll get a bunch of angry Fox-Men fans who'll complain about her not being naked 24/7 anymore.

[up] Wait...she was Rogue's mother in the comics??? I knew about her and Azazel being Nightcrawler's parents, but never knew that.

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#134242: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:16:22 PM

A common theory/fan-wish was for Mystique and Rogue to be the villains of Captain Marvel 2. Rogue drains Captain Marvel's powers while being manipulated by Mystique and the movie would end with Carol inspiring Rogue to fight back against her abusive mother and become a hero.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#134243: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:18:25 PM

Rogue villain Captain Marvel 2... Captain Marvel hung out in New Orleans... Gambit is from New Orleans... Gambit/Rogue outing confirmed

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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 23rd 2021 at 6:19:56 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#134244: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:21:02 PM

Marvel also has their own K-Pop superhero, but the new Agents Of Atlas are pretty down the list of possible movies/tv shows.

...Wonder if DC should have one...

Edited by Blueace on Sep 23rd 2021 at 8:26:33 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134245: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:22:51 PM

[up][up][up][up] She's not her biological mother but Mystique did effectively raise Rogue to my knowledge.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:23:01 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#134246: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:25:22 PM

Mystique and Destiny were Rogue's unofficial foster parents after she ran away from her own bad home situation.

Mystique also cares a lot more for Rogue than for Nightcrawler and genuinely loves her as a daughter. This is not a good thing for Rogue since Mystique is just...the worst.

The FOX movies gave Mystique a ton of Adaptational Heroism.

Edited by M84 on Sep 23rd 2021 at 7:28:50 PM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134247: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:52:24 PM

[up] Which only happened because Fox just so happened to luck into casting Jennifer Lawrence just before she got huge off The Hunger Games and retooled everything around her. A cashing-in that clearly ran out too soon given what happened in Dark Pheonix.

Overall, yeah, I actually think a Truer to the Text approach to everything X-Men would be the best approach, given that the closest the FoX-Men ever got was with the first two 20 years ago. So like don't just give me Mystique as Rogue's mother, give me Mystique with a send-up to her iconic look with the white dress/jumpsuit with the skull belt.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#134248: Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:57:46 PM

With comic-accurate Mystique you pretty much got a multi-movie character right there since she's pretty much only it for herself.

So she's the kind of character willing to work for anyone and do anything as long as it benefits her in some way.

Plus with how much the MCU gets ragged on for so many characters being defined by their daddy issues, Mystique brings in the mother of mommy issues by being the worst mom ever.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:58:47 AM

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#134249: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:06:14 PM

Worse than Ragyo, Raven from RWBY, and even Sora's mom?

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Vault Dweller
#134250: Sep 23rd 2021 at 5:07:28 PM

So who wants to brainstorm ideas as to potential What If...? stories that season 2 might give us. I mean, from the airport fight in Civil War alone, I can think of:

"What If...Spider-Man Defected to Team Cap during the airport fight?" - In which the airport fight has a different outcome due to Steve, Sam and/or Bucky getting Peter to stop so they can explain to him what they're trying to do (stop Zemo from activating the Winter Soldiers), and also mention the various things Tony kept him in the dark about regarding the Accords (because Peter would balk at the idea of giving up his identity or having to wear an ankle monitor).

"What If...Cap had a Full Avengers Team with him in Siberia?" - Kinda tied in with the above. Everyone on Cap's team gets away with him and Bucky, so Scott, Sam, Clint and Wanda all go to Siberia too, either in the Quinjet or by overpowering Tony's allies and stealing another plane. What changes when Tony arrives and Zemo plays his video of the Starks' deaths?

"What If...Vision Shot Down Tony Stark?" - Self-explanatory. The nail is that Vision shoots down Tony instead of Rhodey.

From other movies, I can think of examples like:

"What If...Shuri and Wanda got the Mind Stone out in time?" - In which Wanda and Shuri were able to get the Mind Stone removed from Vision's head and destroyed by the time Thanos's forces arrived in Wakanda. How does the battle change? (Part of me thinks that this would end in Thanos losing, since without knowing where the Mind Stone was destroyed, he'd have no way to know where to "drop an anchor" so he can use the Time Stone to undo that stone's destruction)

"What If...Pietro Lived?" - We know Whedon actually filmed an alternate ending for Age of Ultron where Pietro survived, but how would his survival change the course of Civil War and Infinity War?

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