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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#134101: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:19:29 PM

There's also the fact that the Time Stone being on Earth wouldn't change the fact that Thanos would still beat the shit out of the divided Avengers regardless.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 21st 2021 at 4:23:17 AM

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#134102: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:37:10 PM

Tony’s reasoning was sound

Keep the fight away from Earth, keep the damage away from it too

Upside: have a chance of taking Thanos by surprise instead of waiting for him to come to you

It’s just Thanos is the biggest beefiest boy and had gotten all but two of the stones prior to the fight so could muscle through a legitimately great ambush and battle strategy

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 21st 2021 at 7:43:48 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134103: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:40:44 PM

Hypothetical.

But if say Magneto does appear, we'll prolly get the story of him actually transitioning to hero-status and member of the X-Men like how they managed to capture Wanda being at first a villain and then becoming a hero.

Its a contrast to how the Foxmen never could move on from Magneto being a villain and around the end constantly snap backed him, even if the previous film ended with him making a transition away from being the villain.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2021 at 4:40:52 AM

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#134104: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:45:16 PM

I think there's still room to retcon Magneto in as Wanda and Pietro's father, if they wanted to go that route.

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#134105: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:52:17 PM

How long do you expect Wanda to stick around? Because if they don't have plans for the X-Men before that, it might not even be worth playing that card.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134106: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:53:15 PM

Depends how long her current witch arc lasts.

We of course don't know whats gonna happen to her down the line until Multiverse of Madness.

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#134107: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:56:34 PM

Would Wanda being Magneto’s daughter in the MCU matter? They would have no history together and for a “father” he would have had zero formative effect on her life.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 21st 2021 at 4:56:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134108: Sep 21st 2021 at 4:59:41 PM

Thats their normal relationship in the source material and adaptations.

He never raises her, they generally only find out about each other by the time Wanda's already a grown woman.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2021 at 5:00:22 AM

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#134109: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:08:48 PM

He does tend to give lots of daddy issues to Pietro, though.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#134110: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:14:31 PM

Magneto also didn't know he had kids because Magda ran away from him and didn't tell him anything.

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#134111: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:17:58 PM

I really don't want Magneto to be Wanda and Pietro's father. Especially after WandaVision. That ship has sailed, sad to say.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 21st 2021 at 5:18:11 AM

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#134112: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:24:50 PM

At this point, it would just be empty fanservice.

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#134113: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:26:38 PM

[up] And Lord knows we really don't want any more of that.

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#134114: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:28:52 PM

I'm actually hoping Marvel delays introducing Mephisto just so they don't cave into all the speculation and memes about the character.

I also hope Multiverse of Madness isn't going to have glorified Fox X-Men appearances just to please everyone. I was similarly upset with the Multiverse aspect of No Way Home at first, though I've since come around on it.

...I grew up on Sam Raimi too man. I'm not perfect.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#134115: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:31:45 PM

Why do people expect it to have a Foxmen appearance?

That makes no fucking sense, its a fucking Doctor Strange movie.

Are people collectively high on bath salts now?

[up][up] Thats already Quicksilver in the Foxmen anyway.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2021 at 5:32:18 AM

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#134116: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:32:36 PM

As said a few pages ago, it's the theorycrafters being out of control and not being able to separate their headcanons from reality.

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#134117: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:38:47 PM

How delusional.

It's obviously going to lead to an appearance from Doctor Mordrid.

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#134118: Sep 21st 2021 at 5:56:38 PM

Speaking of Raimi, I only just noticed that Oz the Great and Powerful was playing in Westview during the last episode of WandaVision. That complicates things a bit too much because it's a movie directed by Raimi, and its Wicked Witch of the East is Rachel Weisz (Melina).

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#134119: Sep 21st 2021 at 6:00:23 PM

James Franco will also be in NWH as *shot by Marvel sniper*

It also played The Incredibles, which had Sam Jackson as the voice of Frozone.

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#134120: Sep 21st 2021 at 6:02:41 PM

And the whole existence of Malcolm in the Middle in the MCU complicates things when Bryan Cranston appeared in Godzilla with Elizabeth Olsen and Aaron Taylor-Johnson, while Breaking Bad had Krysten Ritter (Jessica Jones) as Jane Margolis.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#134121: Sep 21st 2021 at 6:50:40 PM

Why do people expect it to have a Foxmen appearance?

That makes no fucking sense, its a fucking Doctor Strange movie.

Are people collectively high on bath salts now?

"In the Multiverse of Madness" kind of lends itself to speculation that we could see characters get pulled in from other continuities, especially since NWH is going to set precedent that this can include characters from other franchisesnote .

Now what I certainly don't expect is for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness to be an X-Men movie in disguise. But I'm also not going to fall out of my seat in shock if there's a post credit scene revealing that Deadpool and a couple of his supporting cast ended up stranded in the MCU as a side effect of all the multiverse shenanigans that happen in the movie.

Edited by Falrinn on Sep 21st 2021 at 6:50:49 AM

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#134122: Sep 21st 2021 at 6:55:32 PM

I don’t see why actor paradox is a problem

You just do what the Simpsons do and go “yeah Sideshow Bob sure sounds like Frasier from Frasier”

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#134123: Sep 21st 2021 at 7:06:16 PM

Actor paradox is up there with recastings and dual-castings as things people put way too much stock and brain power into because they insist on treating actors as if they are literally the characters they portray.

It's both annoying and also potentially limiting for no reason.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#134124: Sep 21st 2021 at 7:08:56 PM

I don't think most people take it as some sort of actual lore problem. It's just for fun, like the Bacon number.

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#134125: Sep 21st 2021 at 7:11:19 PM

Yeah, it's just something that's fun to discuss. That is, unless it's a case where the different actor literally means something different in-universe like with WandaVision... it just didn't mean what we thought it did.

Edited by lbssb on Sep 21st 2021 at 7:21:39 AM

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