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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#133951: Sep 19th 2021 at 3:12:07 PM

I'm surprised Kevin Feige hasn't actually appeared in-person yet in any of the MCU films, as a cameo.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 19th 2021 at 6:12:15 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133952: Sep 19th 2021 at 3:13:26 PM

He did appear in the Hellfire Gala event in the comics asking Cyclops whats his story.

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#133953: Sep 19th 2021 at 4:49:06 PM

Aside from Kevin Feige explicitly saying as such?

Yeah, but you people know that he could be, ya know, lying?

Or just be telling a Jedi Truth and just because Deadpool is in the MCU the last minute, he told the truth.

I imagine a lot of it has to do with the fact that Deadpool is just about the one character who you could have open his own movie explaining how it fits into the MCU, how it affects the cast and the previous two movies' plots, and not only have it work but actually be completely on-brand for the character.

Yeah, I seriously doubt they will add the X-Men to the MCU with a gag, and make a big change to Colossus and the others just so they fit to the MCU, when the easiest and most logical action is just to make the plot a stand along with the consequence of Deadpool alone ending in the MCU so they can start over again (which I believe is what the writers want considering Vanessa's death was going to be permanent), and leave the way open so they can introduce the X-Men the way they want withput having to deal with Colossus and Co.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#133954: Sep 19th 2021 at 5:23:46 PM

Yeah, but you people know that he could be, ya know, lying?

Movie exec don’t lie when they say they will do something. They like when they say they’re not doing something.

This is because getting people to buy something (in this case a movie ticket) by leading them to believe they’re getting something they’re not is false advertising, whereas not telling people you’re going to do something is just protecting your NDA.

Plus there’s no real point to lying about that in the first place.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#133955: Sep 19th 2021 at 5:38:30 PM

He's a black character who actually has his own thing. Like he's not a legacy character cribbing on stuff established by a previous character, but everything about him is his own.

I wish there'd been as much fervor when Blade 1 and 2 came out.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#133956: Sep 19th 2021 at 5:44:20 PM

[up][up][up]I don't know why he would???

Theirs no reason for it. Plus the whole point was too advertise the film for the mcu?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133957: Sep 19th 2021 at 5:50:54 PM

[up][up] Well Blade is the torch-bearer at least.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133958: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:44:31 PM

[up]x7 Kevin Feige is basically the head honcho of Marvel, and is making sure everything runs smoothly while keeping both audiences and the people he works for and with happy. I don't think he has too much time to make cameos in his own works.

Gotta say though, based on how much both fans, actors, producers and directors speak of him, I'm pretty sure Feige is the closest possible thing you can get to a modern-day Honest Corporate Executive. Yeah, there's probably some skeletons in his closet we don't know about, but based on what I've read, he's trying his best to make sure everyone he works with is really enjoying their work.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133959: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:49:20 PM

Oh, in other news, Elizabeth Olsen fans are pretty mad that she didn't win an Emmy for Best Leading Actor or whatever for WandaVision. Although let's be honest, were we really expecting anything that to happen?

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133960: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:51:13 PM

Honestly, the odds of her winning were low but mostly because fantasy/action stuff generally doesn't win in the writing/acting categories at award shows, typically only in the visual effects/costuming categories.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133961: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:53:29 PM

I thought the Academy just hated superhero stuff in general. Unless it's dark, gritty and realistic enough like The Dark Knight or Joker.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#133962: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:55:10 PM

I think Marvel will have to make stuff really special to stand out and win future awards. The fact Spider Verse beat Disney in 2018 for that Oscar tells me the award judges aren't impressed by MCU and by extenction stuff much anymore.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133963: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:56:59 PM

I don't think the Academy Awards have ever been impressed by MCU films.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133964: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:58:27 PM

I said this in the WV thread but the Outstanding Actress in a Limited Series category was the one I was looking forward to the most as everyone in it was very good and deserved to win. I was not even personally rooting for Olsen. So no, I don’t personally think it was an Award Snub [lol]

[up]Black Panther got the closest; it was nominated for Best Picture.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 19th 2021 at 9:58:56 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133965: Sep 19th 2021 at 8:00:21 PM

Eh, it would've been nice to see Elizabeth or Anya Taylor-Joy win Best Actress, but in the grand scheme of things I don't really care. The Awards are, and always have been a joke to me.

[up] Yeah, and they almost got a new type of Oscar before the internet flipped out

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 19th 2021 at 8:01:11 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#133966: Sep 19th 2021 at 8:02:59 PM

I look at the awards like the Game Awards. Some awards are duds, but Nier and Zelda winning in 2017 were the correct outcome.

Just Makima.
GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#133967: Sep 19th 2021 at 8:12:33 PM

I thought the Academy just hated superhero stuff in general. Unless it's dark, gritty and realistic enough like The Dark Knight or Joker.

In my opinion, the real problem with the Academy is that they held every film out there to the exact same standards rather than accept genres other then dramas for what they are. That’s what created an environment where Oscar Bait was easy money while things like the Transformers Film Series or the Adam Sandler comedies became critical laughingstocks. Superhero movies just happened to be the one genre to openly reject the Oscar standards and embrace the Rule of Cool.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133968: Sep 19th 2021 at 8:20:05 PM

That’s what created an environment where Oscar Bait was easy money while things like the Transformers Film Series or the Adam Sandler comedies became critical laughingstocks

Oscar Bait films comparatively make very little money compared to big IP juggernauts because they aren't accessible or have niche audiences. The 2019 films that were nominated for Best Picture the following year comparatively brought in around 1.65 billion dollars globally (Joker made up 1 billion of those). Endgame's worldwide gross was 2.8 billion.

As someone who took Villenueve and Scorsese's side in the "Are Marvel Movies Cinema (tm)" debate, it's 1000000% fine for things to be entertaining and not be high art. Marvel and its fans don't need E/G/O/T validation to have solid movies, but conversely, only a few entries really make an effort to be in the E/G/O/T conversation.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 19th 2021 at 10:36:52 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#133969: Sep 20th 2021 at 5:15:44 AM

So for a dead pool 3 main villain who do you think they'd use.

I went over his Deadpool: Rogues Gallery.

Which uh tbh not the best for a main villain spot.. Black Swan probably has the most potential. That said some of these like Hit Monkey sound amazing and I want to see them as supporting Villans.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#133970: Sep 20th 2021 at 5:33:34 AM

I really like T-Ray and his gimmick of possibly being the real Wade Wilson.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#133971: Sep 20th 2021 at 5:35:34 AM

Madcap could be a good one

Just Makima.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#133972: Sep 20th 2021 at 12:20:52 PM

Victoria Alonso promoted to Marvel Studio president of physical, post-production, VFX, and animation

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133973: Sep 20th 2021 at 12:43:40 PM

Good for her.

And TIL she has a wife.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#133974: Sep 20th 2021 at 1:04:21 PM

Her wife was in AOS and Falcon and Winter Soldier, apparently.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#133975: Sep 20th 2021 at 1:04:45 PM

Who is she ?

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