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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133776: Sep 17th 2021 at 4:31:43 PM

[up] I'm pretty sure that's an unfounded rumor. Even though it admittedly has some roots, given that in the comics, Fisk killed Maya's parents and raised her as his own.

Okey Dokey!
Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#133777: Sep 17th 2021 at 4:41:14 PM

For Kingpin in Hawkeye (2021), his actor Vincent D'Onofrio posted a poem about Lucky the Wonder Dog but otherwise hasn't confirmed that he's in the show. It's either to keep a major spoiler away from the public or he's just playing with fans' expectations. Keep in mind, Avengers: Infinity War almost included cameos from the Defenders but were cut due to The Russo Brothers not being able to contact the showrunners of the Netflix shows and the film having too many characters. If the rumors of Kingpin in Hawkeye and Daredevil in Spider-Man: No Way Home are actually true, it will be a Soft Reboot of sorts for the Netflix shows featuring the same actors but in a new story/setting with maybe a few Continuity Nods. Daredevil would be the first MCU Netflix show to be revived on possibly Hulu since it was the first and they might reuse some ideas from Season 4 such as the return of Typhoid Mary or the Owl as the Big Bad but with the timeframe potentially moved to the post-Blip period.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 17th 2021 at 4:42:39 AM

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#133779: Sep 17th 2021 at 4:51:47 PM

... is ..is Pin King part of the joke or does he indeed exist?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#133780: Sep 17th 2021 at 4:52:14 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Alas that just seems to be the nature of social media and Twitter these days.

A Youtube creator I follow was in a similar situation in which he got accused of some seriously heinous stuff a few months ago, except it turns out most of it was likely faked or severely exaggerated. Most of the internet is firmly convinced of it being bullshit and found alibis against it, and eventually several of the original perpetrators even admitted it was in part a hit job and they were told to spread it by another source (allegedly but largely agreed to have been a Psycho Ex, and apparently someone who was quite infamous in the community to begin with). Yet a lot of people including some high-profile figures continue to swear up and down that they have hard proof and detailed accounts of his misdeeds, despite never actually showing anything for it when asked (sometimes with the excuse that showing any of it would put the supposed victims in danger). Which results in his name remaining a divisive one in some communities, particularly those with a high amount of people who I'd describe as performatively woke.

Expect a lot more of that kind of thing to happen in the future.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 17th 2021 at 8:18:18 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#133781: Sep 17th 2021 at 4:54:47 PM

[up][up]Yes, Pin King is from You Are Deadpool, Issue #4. His civilian name is even Filson Whisk.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 17th 2021 at 4:57:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133782: Sep 17th 2021 at 5:04:25 PM

I'm hoping since continuous movies are a sure thing now, it be cool to finally having overarching and bigger bad villains that appear in multiple movies. We've only had Thanos for that and he barely appeared overall.

Like a trilogy that features the shifting in the criminal underworld similar to Spectacular Spider-Man where Tombstone was top crime boss, a crime war happened featuring other guys like Ock and Silvermane all vying for top spot, and ending with a Goblin having manipulated and last-manned his way to supremacy.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 17th 2021 at 5:04:38 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#133783: Sep 17th 2021 at 5:10:52 PM

A gang war would be a great way to team up Daredevil with Spiderman, and maybe bring in Luke Cage and Jessica Jones as well.

One Strip! One Strip!
eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#133784: Sep 17th 2021 at 5:27:53 PM

[up]Or the Defenders... but ya know, well done.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133785: Sep 17th 2021 at 5:55:56 PM

The disconnect between Marvel TV and Marvel Studios leads to questions being asked about why Peter didn't venture to Manhattan where the gangs were turning the island into a war zone.

Okey Dokey!
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#133786: Sep 17th 2021 at 5:57:17 PM

The D'onofrio rumors come from him liking a tweet from a rumor account that said "Vincent D'Onofrio will reprise his role as Kingpin in Hawkeye". It'd be really weird if he ends up not being Kingpin.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#133787: Sep 17th 2021 at 7:44:41 PM

Actors sometimes do that as troll jobs.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133788: Sep 17th 2021 at 7:49:30 PM

[up] I'm inclined to believe it's that: it's baiting the fans.

Okey Dokey!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#133789: Sep 17th 2021 at 8:53:44 PM

It doesn't even have to be trolling. It can simply be the actor wanting to be back in the role and trying to drum up publicity by doing this. Or, conversely, it can simply be about the actor trying not to burn bridges by explicitly denying it.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133790: Sep 17th 2021 at 9:34:55 PM

For the record, D'Onofrio has openly said he loved the role and would love to reprise it, and has been very active on social media encouraging fan enthusiasm and support.

Pretty much everything surrounding the potential reprisals of him as Kingpin and Cox as Daredevil is unsubstantiated beyond the fact that the MCU "leaker" "community" has backed those claims in solidarity. So yeah, heaps of salt, I personally actually buy all of it but I also get I'm basically gambling and will roll with whatever ultimately happens.

Edited by Watchtower on Sep 17th 2021 at 1:13:47 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133791: Sep 17th 2021 at 9:37:13 PM

There is also the fact Echo is making an appearance on the show and she is Kingpin’s adopted kid.

Is that even something that comes up in the comics now?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#133792: Sep 18th 2021 at 12:28:25 AM

Cut dialogue from Avengers: Endgame.

Captain Marvel: I must go. My planet needs me.

Warmachine: You're from Earth!

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Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#133793: Sep 18th 2021 at 1:51:11 AM

What Villeneuve said vs what the clickbait headlines said.

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133794: Sep 18th 2021 at 8:20:58 AM

[up] Everything about the post has been deleted (including seemingly the OP's account) and the comments remaining state the OP is (possibly unintentionally) misrepresenting a translation from a different interview as the "correct" translation for this one.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133795: Sep 18th 2021 at 8:51:29 AM

> You're from Earth!

"Not your Earth"

-flys away-

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#133796: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:57:54 AM

To be fair, while I'd love to see him in the role again, it would kinda make the entire conclusion to his arc in Daredevil meaningless.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#133799: Sep 18th 2021 at 1:08:46 PM

I mean that does happen with him a lot in the comics

Took forever to learn how he escaped the cancerverse and when we did get an explanation it was incredibly poor

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133800: Sep 18th 2021 at 3:07:32 PM

Ah Bendis.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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