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    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133726: Sep 16th 2021 at 7:51:48 PM

While I have seen Liu's unpopularity in China, I think this particular controversy is home grown...

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#133727: Sep 16th 2021 at 7:55:07 PM

Aside from that, all I'm seeing on his Twitter right now is that he lost an Airpod.

The horror. The horror.

Edit: No wait, it seems like he was able to find it after all. False alarm!

Also, what do you mean by "home-grown"?

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2021 at 10:57:54 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133728: Sep 16th 2021 at 7:57:55 PM

I don't really want to go into detail since I know that it could be false information, but it has to do with a supposed Reddit burner account he had many years ago before being cast in Shang-Chi.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133729: Sep 16th 2021 at 7:59:10 PM

And to clarify a little more, said history allegedly had some unfortunate things regarding women, race and homosexuality.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 16th 2021 at 10:00:39 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#133730: Sep 16th 2021 at 7:59:12 PM

[up][up]If you think it could be false, why are you even bringing it up? It's just rumormongering.

[up]In that case it'll likely get picked up by a news source sooner or later.

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2021 at 11:00:21 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133731: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:00:51 PM

I don't know if it's false or not. I just tend to easily be duped by things online and wanted some perspective on what's happening. It seems like it could be legitimate. I don't know.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133732: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:05:20 PM

Whether it's true or false, I'd like to be able to talk about it somewhere instead of keeping it all in my head like I usually do. Part of the reason I started talking in this forum is because I like MCU stuff and was getting frustrated I didn't have anyone to talk to about it.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#133733: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:05:41 PM

Okay, here’s what happened.

    The whole Simu Liu thing, if you dare 

Slate recently published an article about the misogynistic and racist MRAsians movement. Several Asian-American podcasters and media writers shared the article, and claimed Simu Liu tended to be friendly with MRAsian users and at times namesearch people complaining about his proximity to them so his fans would yell at them.

When that behavior got attention today, Liu made some attempts to brush off the controversy, first with vague apologies then trying to deflect to unrelated Air Pod humor, but that failed to brush off the outrage, which then escalated into some people digging up his old Reddit account where he made extremely obtuse claims of “understanding pedophilia” in the sense of a mental illness and compared it to being irrevocably gay.

So that’s basically what’s the talk of the town right now.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 16th 2021 at 8:07:06 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133734: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:07:11 PM

[up] Yes, that's everything I've seen thus far. I was just too nervous to bring it up.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#133735: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:07:23 PM

....welp! He's done for.

Like, that's it. He's totally done.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#133736: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:08:27 PM

[up][up][up]Thanks, that makes more sense now.

[up]I'm kind of glad I haven't gone to see Shang-Chi yet.

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2021 at 11:09:08 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#133737: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:09:16 PM

Nah, if Chris Pratt still has a job I don’t see Liu going. Honestly, aside from the Reddit post most of this stuff with Liu was already old news, at least in the circles I’ve frequented for the past few years. Did dampen my interest in seeing Shang-Chi, I admit.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 16th 2021 at 8:09:58 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133738: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:11:43 PM

Letitia Wright also still is in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever despite her sharing an antivax video at some point. So who knows.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#133739: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:11:45 PM

Yeah, if Chris Pratt still enjoys success even when being a member of a homophobic megachurch, I don't see this destroying Simu Liu's career.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133740: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:12:44 PM

Maybe the James Gunn fiasco is making Marvel reluctant to fire people willy nilly, and for a solid reason.

But I can't deny that this particular thing looks really bad.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#133742: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:28:37 PM

“Namesearching” in a nutshell.

Some random user on the Internet with two followers: “I don’t like big celeb, they’re smelly.”

Big Celeb with more money than Montana and 5 million followers: “I feel like searching for random haters today.” *searches their name* “Hey, that dude with 2 followers thinks I’m smelly!” *types back* “Your mom’s smelly!”

5 million followers: “We must defend our helpless idol!” *swarm random user’s account and send them insults, hate mail, death threats, etc*

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 16th 2021 at 8:43:12 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133743: Sep 16th 2021 at 8:45:56 PM

I'd say Disney's behavior towards Gina Carano vs. Letitia Wright is more relevant here. Carano wasn't booted for any individual offending tweets, she was booted for a consistent and escalating social media presence that she was outright refusing to curtail. Meanwhile despite Wright straight-up proving herself to be and peddling anti-science garbage she promptly nuked her socials after her "first strike".

Here the most offending part is that whole awful subreddit post, and even then it's more caked in horrible ignorance and Unfortunate Implications than outright active malicious bigotry. An apology is required and should be pressed and squeezed out of him but so long as the apology's good and sincere I don't think there's anything else to drag out of him. As for the other stuff it kinda just comes off as him being an asshole with a Reddit account and I can't see anyone much less Disney caring unless he starts doing it now now that he's a Marvel mega-star.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133744: Sep 16th 2021 at 9:09:03 PM

You think Liu might nuke his socials too? Less so because of Disney and more because he makes the choice to do so.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#133745: Sep 16th 2021 at 9:25:02 PM

How old was the Reddit account he'd used?

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133746: Sep 16th 2021 at 9:31:16 PM

I don't even think he can post on Reddit even if he wanted to - think he had to make a corporate burner for the Reddit AMA.

In fact I actually discovered something I think is important: the awful subreddit comment was posted July 2015. That predates both the November 2015 premiere of Blood and Water (a series that he would win awards for) and the October 2016 premiere of Kim's Convenience. Which means when he posted this Simu Liu was still effectively just a "regular dude" trying to make it big in the industry. That's not to excuse him, that's just to recognize that he didn't have at the absolute least the weight of celebrity on his shoulders when he said that shit.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133747: Sep 16th 2021 at 9:32:43 PM

The worst of it seems to be dated 2014-2015; he would have been around 25-26note .

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133748: Sep 16th 2021 at 9:42:24 PM

[up] I mean, James Gunn made those really awful jokes in his forties, but matured to be a better man and was forgiven rather quickly. But I do agree that Liu probably should've known better.

[up][up] Posting might be out the window, but is he allowed to delete old/burner accounts?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 16th 2021 at 9:45:10 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#133749: Sep 16th 2021 at 9:45:53 PM

Personally I feel like, as long as this doesn't become a whole pattern with him, it's not the worst thing.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#133750: Sep 16th 2021 at 9:50:54 PM

Maybe I'm just really invested in this because the MCU has kind of become my comfort franchise to follow after I stopped following most individual content creators and the Slenderverse more-or-less died. I know Marvel probably won't last forever, but I still want to hold onto it for as long as I can. I know this situation is small in the grand scale of things, but I'm paranoid of a domino effect happening or something.

Does this make me a childish person?

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