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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#133677: Sep 15th 2021 at 3:04:30 PM

the leaker was Antman,his arch nemesis The Law is trying to decide which laws he broke this time

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133678: Sep 15th 2021 at 3:24:23 PM

On a funny bit. A couple pages ago there was some debate over whether Thanos constitutes as an Eternals character or not as he's routinely disconnected from them.

Well as of the current Eternals run he's back to being an Eternals character and is plaguing the Eternals as one of the main antagonists of the book.

And he's only in the Eternals book, taking a break from conquering the wider MU for the time being.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133679: Sep 15th 2021 at 4:10:04 PM

I have this mental image of the Eternals laid up in hospital with a smug Thanos laughing at them

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133680: Sep 15th 2021 at 4:27:04 PM

Sounds like an attempt at synergy money. "Let's put their annoying nephew back in the book because the moviegoers know him cool!"

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133681: Sep 15th 2021 at 4:34:15 PM

The funny thing is Thanos is currently dead from the last attempt at movie synergy, the 2018 Infinity Wars comic (no need to guess what it synergizes with) that has Gamora going crazy and killing/succeeding Thanos.

So he's been dead since until now in Eternals.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#133682: Sep 15th 2021 at 4:42:17 PM

Tbf Joker Immunity for the big villains of marvel will always prevail..

It's why we're not ever going to see Magneto, Ultron, Dr. Doom, Thanosz etc. biting it for good their.

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#133683: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:23:15 PM

I know nothing is forever but I'll always prefer Thanos dead than alive. I read the last word I ever needed on his character all the way back in 2006's Annihilation.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133684: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:35:39 PM

Though there is The Thanos Imperative that has Thanos facing off against his ultimate antithesis the Cancerverse and ending with Nova and Star Lord in a glorious heroic sacrifice as they trap Thanos in the world where life won.

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The Tapestry Weaver
#133685: Sep 16th 2021 at 2:15:40 PM

Fanservice is a dangerous weapon to use, and it should be avoided at all costs. Because the cult of fanservice will bury you alive if you stray from their will. As much as I love the ideas of what's happening in NWH and MOM, if Marvel doesn't go all the way, I fear many will be upset even if it's interesting.

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#133686: Sep 16th 2021 at 2:31:03 PM

People will be upset even if Marvel does "go all the way" because everyone has a different idea of what that means.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#133687: Sep 16th 2021 at 2:45:22 PM

Jim Starlin is the only true Thanos writer tongue

Don't care about no Creator's Pet accusations.

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#133688: Sep 16th 2021 at 3:19:55 PM

As much as I love the ideas of what's happening in NWH and MOM, if Marvel doesn't go all the way, I fear many will be upset even if it's interesting.

Like the others have said, the way the rumors are going, the fans seem to be expecting everything plus the kitchen sink.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133689: Sep 16th 2021 at 3:29:27 PM

I've been thinking about it again, on the potential personality of Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic.

We're getting another uber scientist after Tony, Bruce, Hank, and Shuri so its curious how Reed will be characterized especially since Reed is prolly the most uber of the uber scientists.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 16th 2021 at 3:29:58 AM

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#133690: Sep 16th 2021 at 3:31:40 PM

He'll probably be more space-focused than the rest of the scientists to set him apart.

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#133691: Sep 16th 2021 at 3:32:15 PM

He will be a flawless 1:1 translation of the character to the big screen. Fans will rejoice upon hearing this news.

Unfortunately, fans' exuberation will turn swiftly to dismay when it turns out that the character he's a flawless 1:1 translation of is Professor Impossible from Venture Bros.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133692: Sep 16th 2021 at 3:40:42 PM

If one could describe their fields, Tony and Shuri are engineers while Bruce and Hank are radiation specialists (presuming Pym Particles fits in the field of radiation).

Reed is like an astrophysicist who focuses on stuff like space and dimensional travel which means encountering beings like Galactus and Annihilus on a common basis.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133693: Sep 16th 2021 at 4:24:33 PM

[up][up] Now now, I don't think you're giving fans enough credit. I'm sure they won't complain about that at all.

Instead they'll be too busy complaining about Reed Richards being black.

No nothing's set in stone yet but with Johnathan Majors as Kang the chances of a black Reed are honestly likely. And no, people will not take it well.

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#133694: Sep 16th 2021 at 4:32:33 PM

In seriousness, I wouldn't be opposed to a black Reed, but it'd be cool if we could get, like, a Hispanic Reed or an Asian Reed or Native American Reed or something. As super-geniuses go, we've already got Shuri for black rep. We have so many white super-geniuses that another black one wouldn't go amiss, but there are other ethnicities that could use a super-genius too.

Of course, he'll probably just wind up being white. I don't have confidence in Disney being willing to race-lift the First Family. They did race-lift Kang, but that's only a hint towards Reed's casting if you assume they intend to fully adapt his identity as Nathaniel Richards, rather than just making him some guy named Kang.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133695: Sep 16th 2021 at 4:40:00 PM

He's so many generations removed that his race doesn't matter. Many Black people in the US have white ancestors.

I can see them race-lifting the Storms, because stepping down from the half-diversity measure done by the 2015 film isn't a great look.

Ben is, for an obvious reason, less consequential...as long as he's still Jewish. Actually they might also racebend him because Disney does like turning their POC protagonists into nonhumans!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133696: Sep 16th 2021 at 4:41:20 PM

Yeah with race-lifts, turning the character black is kinda the go to. They rarely go with a Hispanic or Asian race-lift weirdly enough.

[up] Not like that movie's application of diversity was that admirable anyway. Sue was still a white woman due to being made adopted instead of a blood sibling to Johnny.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 16th 2021 at 4:42:57 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133697: Sep 16th 2021 at 4:46:12 PM

Yeah, that's what I mean. It was a half-assed attempt, so going back to two white siblings is...worse IMO. I can see them going, er, full-ass.

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#133699: Sep 16th 2021 at 4:48:11 PM

There might be more recent cases in the comics I’ve missed, but curiously a rare example of a Latinx super-genius in comics was Ultimate Iron Man. At least the Orson Scott Card version; I don’t recall if the retconned Mark Millar version was still Latino.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 16th 2021 at 4:48:46 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133700: Sep 16th 2021 at 4:48:50 PM

I've also seen quite a lot of Bollywood Nerd fancasts. Rahul Kohli has been semi-seriously campaigning.

A diverse Storm-sibs fancast I've really liked is Constance Wu and Manny Jacinto.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 16th 2021 at 6:50:15 AM


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