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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#133626: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:08:47 PM

If anyone from the Netflix shows is coming to the MCU, I’d like it to be Jessica Jones since she and Kate Bishop had a touching mentor relationship in the comics.

But reboot Hellcat so she’s She-Hulk’s best friend and not a villain.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133627: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:14:32 PM

Yeah Hellcat is one of the few non-Hand things from the Netflix MCU that I'd also like a do-over for. Don't even have to go too severe, just revert her back to S1 Patsy but with the Hellcat gimmick on top of it.

C'mon Marvel, gimme a girls night with She-Hulk, Jessica Jones, Hellcat, and Tigra. Let's goooooooooooo.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133628: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:40:02 PM

Sometimes I feel like an interesting plot for What If...? would be "What would happen in Siberia in Civil War if Steve had a full Avengers team with him?"

Let's say the airport fight went down differently and everyone on Steve's side got away. What would change for the final act of Civil War? I realize, emotionally, and cinematically, it had to be just Cap, Bucky, and Tony. But what if the other Avengers were there?

I'm sort of thinking of a scenario where that happens:

Instead of staying behind to get captured, Sam, Scott, Clint and Wanda overpower Tony and the others and steal another plane to go to Siberia. Tony gets Rhodey to the hospital, then follows them to Siberia by getting the Quinjet's flightlog. Once he gets there, he encounters Steve's team of Avengers. Everything plays out the same, but how does the fight play out when Zemo plays the video of Bucky killing Tony's parents? Is there even a fight? I feel like Wanda would probably rip Tony's suit apart with her magic or trap him in a vision where he imagines he's Bucky being tortured by the HYDRA scientists, or that Sam and/or Vision would try to reason with Tony.

Okey Dokey!
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#133629: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:44:56 PM

If I were to do a take on Civil War for What If...?, I'd probably go with "What if Spider-Man joined Team Cap?" I think it'd be an interesting direction to explore, especially since Peter never really got that much time to interact with Steve compared to Tony.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#133630: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:46:56 PM

I liked villainous Hellcat. It's rare media actually does a genuine Face–Heel Turn, instead of having the character just be Evil All Along.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133631: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:55:44 PM

If I were to do a take on Civil War for What If...?, I'd probably go with "What if Spider-Man joined Team Cap?" I think it'd be an interesting direction to explore, especially since Peter never really got that much time to interact with Steve compared to Tony.

I've read a few ficlets on AO3 where Peter ended up defecting to Team Cap during the airport fight because Steve (in one case) or Sam and Bucky (in another) stopped Peter long enough to give him the full details of what they were doing (stopping Zemo from activating the Winter Soldiers) and what the Accords entail (since Tony kept him in the dark about that stuff).

I think if Steve were to recruit Peter, he obviously wouldn't use the strongarm tactics Tony uses. He would also probably be very firm about keeping Peter on the sidelines due to his age. If everyone got away after the airport fight, I imagine Steve telling Peter to stay with the Quinjet while he, Clint, Scott, Sam and Wanda go into the bunker, even if Peter insists his webbing could stop or at least slow down the Winter Soldiers.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133632: Sep 14th 2021 at 6:10:01 PM

Heh watched this scene and damn Molten Man's character here would make a good villain for a movie.

Like he's a decent enough guy but he suffers from a terrible fatal flaw no friend or family can really help him from, a gambling addiction. As a result he winds up falling himself into a hole no one can dig him out from and the only result is just a huge fucking tragedy for everyone involved.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#133633: Sep 15th 2021 at 5:12:03 AM

So I guess some here have seen the alleged video of Andrew Garfield in the NWH set?

Well, the vfx artist who made it has come out and and it's definitely fake.

LinkMarioSamus Since: Aug, 2021
#133634: Sep 15th 2021 at 5:42:12 AM

Am I the only one who feels like most of the inventiveness and creativity in the Hollywood blockbuster scene goes towards superhero movies?

I'm particularly enamored with the MCU, due to how it has managed to get a good rhythm going while still showcasing different kinds of stories.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#133635: Sep 15th 2021 at 5:45:30 AM

I genuinely love it when a very convincing fake comes out and bamboozles people.

The legend has returned.
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#133636: Sep 15th 2021 at 5:49:34 AM

[up][up] Real? I've heard skepticism, but it could just be people in denial. Either way, I don't want to give this guy a view.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133637: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:04:01 AM

[up] It's a bit suspect ngl. The "lore" (as I call it) isn't just that Garfield was deepfaked but that the entire body was inserted and puppet-warped in Photoshop and the deepfake was applied on top of it which...doesn't entirely parse out in my head for an live-action video "leak". Plus comments are noting it's not that unfeasible to take the video, rip out the main elements, reconstruct them, and claim it's "debunked".

If it means anything to you r/marvelstudiosspoilers had it up under a "possibly fake" disclaimer for a bit and it got dunked on for a while before it eventually got removed.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133638: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:09:53 AM

This is so insane.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133639: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:14:17 AM

> Well, the vfx artist who made it has come out and and it's definitely fake.

that's a good way to advertise their skills,and end up blacklisted

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133640: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:37:11 AM

So, I think some possible What If...? stories for season 2 could be ones like:

  • What if everyone on Team Cap got away after the airport fight?

  • What if Tony got arrested for his Accords violations?

  • What if Shuri got the Mind Stone out of Vision's forehead in time?

  • What if the original Avengers were dusted and alternate members (Sam, Bucky, Wanda, Quill, Drax) had to do the Time Heist?

Okey Dokey!
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133641: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:44:39 AM

youtube comments think the “leaker” is lying. I don’t know anything about vfx so I don’t know how much of their criticism is warranted and how much is moving the goalposts though.

(Just a note: we have a dedicated What If thread in Western Animation.)

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#133642: Sep 15th 2021 at 6:53:23 AM

We've now gotten to the point of fan obsession over a leak where the actor says the leak is fake and the person who made up the fake leak makes a video admitting to it and showing how they made the fake leak, and people are STILL clinging to it as real.

This is delusional.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 15th 2021 at 6:54:04 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#133643: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:11:11 AM

Yeah, even Smash fans will admit defeat when fake leaks are revealed as such, this is crazy.

The legend has returned.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133644: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:13:31 AM

The grinch leak still makes me laugh

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#133645: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:16:11 AM

Wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that at least some of this stuff is being stoked by Marvel behind the scenes to get people more excited about the movie.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133646: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:27:28 AM

Thats giving Marvel too much credit and absolving the fans of blame,nope,they're guilty.

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#133647: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:39:52 AM

"Fans are clingy, complaining dipshits who will never, ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it."
Zero Punctuation

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#133648: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:49:11 AM

If you want a successful movie, don't make it for the "fans". Make it for John and Joan Q. Public. Obviously there are some films that can do both but ultimately the almighty dollar rules all.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133649: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:51:08 AM

something something ~subverting fan expectations~

Personally I'm going to be annoyed if it's Real After All, Marvel goes "teehee, you caught us ;)" and the fannish behavior is vindicated. I miss the days when we could just... you know... listen to actors when they say they're not in things. Right now it's just this weird mix of baiting and entitlement.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 15th 2021 at 9:51:40 AM

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#133650: Sep 15th 2021 at 7:57:22 AM

Part of me thinks they should just start going "no comment" on everything. It may make press interviews a bit boring, but the current situation is absurd.

Also why I hope that if the rumours are in some way true, there's at least some unexpected twist to it so people can't say they were completely right.

Edited by HalfFaust on Sep 15th 2021 at 2:57:31 PM


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