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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#133526: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:58:37 AM

wild mass guessRogers: The Musical is the Cats of the MCU version of Broadway in that it’s popular due to being around for ages.wild mass guess

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#133527: Sep 13th 2021 at 7:01:59 AM

F*ck yeah finally my Hawkguy getting his most deserved spotlight, and it looks awesome.

Totally hyped!

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#133528: Sep 13th 2021 at 7:24:41 AM

Renner's Hawkeye was always more fun to me when he was "just" a guy with a bow who ended up running around with thunder gods and super soldiers, like his speech to Wanda in Age of Ultron (a good part of a not so great film.)

The edgy vigilante version was pretty bland and dull to me, so I'm glad they're playing him up as more "human" though probably not going fully Hawkeye the garbage human.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#133529: Sep 13th 2021 at 7:37:44 AM

For the record the really dumb way Hawkeye died in Disassembled is that he put on like four quivers of exploding arrows, the quivers got set on fire, instead of removing the quivers he grabbed a Kree with a jetpack and flew into the engines of a Kree ship to blow it up

What makes it especially stupid is that it turns out that the ship and Kree weren’t really real

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#133530: Sep 13th 2021 at 7:44:59 AM

I am loving this trailer. I really appreciate it when these shows dive into the consequences of things that happened in the films. Clint's brief stint as Ronin would realistically have gotten him in a heap of trouble.

The line, "You have more dangerous ones than that?" got me chuckling, as was clearly intended.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 13th 2021 at 10:46:01 AM

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Vault Dweller
#133531: Sep 13th 2021 at 7:52:08 AM

like his speech to Wanda in Age of Ultron (a good part of a not so great film.)

I always feel like he must've given this same speech to Natasha.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#133532: Sep 13th 2021 at 8:02:24 AM

Bro. It's Hawkguy. Bro.

Also, Lucky the Pizza Dog!!!!!

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#133534: Sep 13th 2021 at 8:40:16 AM

When I thought of Scarlet Witch pre MCU, I always thought of the X-Men Evolution version.

I love that Wanda too (even if they went heavy on the Goth motif), but I should point out that she was pretty unstable as well (and had been in an insane asylum prior to the start of the series due to not being able to control her powers), so she also has that Wanda is nutty issue going.

Anyway, everyone get ready to fucking respect Hawkeye...even if he is a bit of a comedic hot mess in this.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133535: Sep 13th 2021 at 8:48:44 AM

Rogers: The Musical is the Cats of the MCU version of Broadway in that it’s popular due to being around for ages

No, I agree it's more analogous to Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark, in that it's a new splashy arthouse thing that makes people go "why?".

Otherwise you know Sam and Bucky would have been fuming about it in TFATWS.

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The Tapestry Weaver
#133536: Sep 13th 2021 at 8:55:49 AM

I'm utterly confused as to why this series decided to go the Christmas route for some reason, but given how few new holiday movies we've gotten in the past few years that look interesting, it's cool that we have this and the GOTG Holiday Special to make things fun.

It also kinda comes full circle, doesn't it? Jon Favreau caught Marvel's attention after he directed Elf, and now we're getting MCU Christmas stuff!

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#133537: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:06:39 AM

MCU Hawkeye is a very different character from 616 Hawkeye. 616 Hawkeye is a snarky loner and one of the Avengers' predominate man-hos, next to Tony Stark. MCU Hawkeye has the weird dynamic of simultaneously being the least powerful member of the group, yet also Team Dad for the Maximoffs and even a little bit for Black Widow.

The decision to make him a family man fit really well with what would become his relationship with Wanda and (briefly) Pietro, as well as recontextualizing his relationship with Nat. It established him as a well of stability for Avengers who need it. He's Team Dad in all of his major relationships within the Avengers organization. It's an interesting dynamic.

It will be very interesting to see Clint and Kate's relationship reimagined through this lens of a stable, paternally-inclined Clint. Is Kate Bishop about to join the list of unstable young people honed into a guiding purpose by Clint Barton?

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#133538: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:14:54 AM

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even a little bit for Black Widow.

Personally, I thought Clint was more of a Big Brother Mentor for Nat based on how they met in Budapest.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133539: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:18:21 AM

Out of interest,who do you guys prefer MCU's Hawk eye or the DC Green arrow?

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133541: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:32:45 AM

I am curious as to how the writing will square "stable family man" with "ex-murderous edgy vigilante" with "semi-reluctant mentor" with the "hot mess" shenanigans in the comics.

[up][up] I am a DC girlie, so:

  • Comics Oliver = 2010s comic Clint > pre-2010 Clint
  • Stephen Amell's Oliver >> Jeremy Renner's Clint, which may well change — depending on how they balance the aforementioned aspects.

I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but Renner's Clint has always felt flat to me, and the edgy vigilante phase was just straight [tdown]

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 13th 2021 at 11:34:24 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#133542: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:34:25 AM

That's one of those weird questions when you have to think do you mean MCU Hawkeye or EMH Hawkeye or Arrowverse Ollie or DCAU Ollie or...

(EMH Hawkeye is my personal favourite though.)

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#133543: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:35:37 AM

EMH Hawkeye is everyone's favourite Hawkeye.

Hell. Everything from EMH is everyone's favourite.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133544: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:36:28 AM

Sad that we haven't gotten a Hawkeye/Mockingbird outing OR a Green Arrow/Black Canary outing in live action, though!

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#133545: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:41:38 AM

Well, there was kinda Black Canary/Green Arrow stuff in Arrow, though I could understand if that doesn't appeal to some purists.

I am very excited for Tony Dalton in Hawkeye, though. I mentioned it before, but it really is as close as you can get to perfect casting for his character.

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#133546: Sep 13th 2021 at 9:41:45 AM

Gonna assume that Laura will take a bit of an issue with the "ex-murderous edgy vigilante" part.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#133547: Sep 13th 2021 at 10:08:50 AM

You know its a crying shame that Nat and Tony have passed before we got "Rogers the Musical" because you KNOW both of them would be booking opening night tickets and memorizing the songs for the sole purpose of weaponizing it.

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#133548: Sep 13th 2021 at 10:10:22 AM

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Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 15th 2021 at 5:23:21 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#133550: Sep 13th 2021 at 10:13:28 AM

On Kate’s costume in the comics. They were ridiculous. Looks like they excised them for now on her new comic run too.


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