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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Renner's Hawkeye was always more fun to me when he was "just" a guy with a bow who ended up running around with thunder gods and super soldiers, like his speech to Wanda in Age of Ultron (a good part of a not so great film.)
The edgy vigilante version was pretty bland and dull to me, so I'm glad they're playing him up as more "human" though probably not going fully Hawkeye the garbage human.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."For the record the really dumb way Hawkeye died in Disassembled is that he put on like four quivers of exploding arrows, the quivers got set on fire, instead of removing the quivers he grabbed a Kree with a jetpack and flew into the engines of a Kree ship to blow it up
What makes it especially stupid is that it turns out that the ship and Kree weren’t really real
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI am loving this trailer. I really appreciate it when these shows dive into the consequences of things that happened in the films. Clint's brief stint as Ronin would realistically have gotten him in a heap of trouble.
The line, "You have more dangerous ones than that?" got me chuckling, as was clearly intended.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 13th 2021 at 10:46:01 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I love that Wanda too (even if they went heavy on the Goth motif), but I should point out that she was pretty unstable as well (and had been in an insane asylum prior to the start of the series due to not being able to control her powers), so she also has that Wanda is nutty issue going.
Anyway, everyone get ready to fucking respect Hawkeye...even if he is a bit of a comedic hot mess in this.
One Strip! One Strip!No, I agree it's more analogous to Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark, in that it's a new splashy arthouse thing that makes people go "why?".
Otherwise you know Sam and Bucky would have been fuming about it in TFATWS.
I'm utterly confused as to why this series decided to go the Christmas route for some reason, but given how few new holiday movies we've gotten in the past few years that look interesting, it's cool that we have this and the GOTG Holiday Special to make things fun.
It also kinda comes full circle, doesn't it? Jon Favreau caught Marvel's attention after he directed Elf, and now we're getting MCU Christmas stuff!
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."MCU Hawkeye is a very different character from 616 Hawkeye. 616 Hawkeye is a snarky loner and one of the Avengers' predominate man-hos, next to Tony Stark. MCU Hawkeye has the weird dynamic of simultaneously being the least powerful member of the group, yet also Team Dad for the Maximoffs and even a little bit for Black Widow.
The decision to make him a family man fit really well with what would become his relationship with Wanda and (briefly) Pietro, as well as recontextualizing his relationship with Nat. It established him as a well of stability for Avengers who need it. He's Team Dad in all of his major relationships within the Avengers organization. It's an interesting dynamic.
It will be very interesting to see Clint and Kate's relationship reimagined through this lens of a stable, paternally-inclined Clint. Is Kate Bishop about to join the list of unstable young people honed into a guiding purpose by Clint Barton?
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even a little bit for Black Widow.
Personally, I thought Clint was more of a Big Brother Mentor for Nat based on how they met in Budapest.
I am curious as to how the writing will square "stable family man" with "ex-murderous edgy vigilante" with "semi-reluctant mentor" with the "hot mess" shenanigans in the comics.
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I am a DC girlie, so:
- Comics Oliver = 2010s comic Clint > pre-2010 Clint
- Stephen Amell's Oliver >> Jeremy Renner's Clint, which may well change — depending on how they balance the aforementioned aspects.
I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but Renner's Clint has always felt flat to me, and the edgy vigilante phase was just straight
Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 13th 2021 at 11:34:24 AM
That's one of those weird questions when you have to think do you mean MCU Hawkeye or EMH Hawkeye or Arrowverse Ollie or DCAU Ollie or...
(EMH Hawkeye is my personal favourite though.)
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."EMH Hawkeye is everyone's favourite Hawkeye.
Hell. Everything from EMH is everyone's favourite.
One Strip! One Strip!

Rogers: The Musical is the Cats of the MCU version of Broadway in that it’s popular due to being around for ages.
The legend has returned.