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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133501: Sep 13th 2021 at 4:35:24 AM

She went fucking crazy and killed a bunch of people.

Thats where he infamous reputation really got started.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133502: Sep 13th 2021 at 4:37:28 AM

mowed them all down while Vision watched

..what?..

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#133503: Sep 13th 2021 at 4:41:45 AM

Yeah, until the Children's Crusade and her appearance in the MCU helped rescue her from the scrappy heap, Marvel frequently flanderized her into a pre-eminent example of a Hysterical Woman.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133504: Sep 13th 2021 at 4:44:05 AM

You can thank Brian Michael Bendis for that.

He wrote Dissembled as well as House of M which is where the infamous "No More Mutants" came from.

Though in fairness to him he has apologized for the former and the latter I believe was more of an editorial mandate.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133505: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:04:28 AM

It is these things that make it hard to imagine Scarlet Witch in any context outside Elizabeth Olsen's portrayal.

Okey Dokey!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#133506: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:31:49 AM

Oh man, glad you haven't heard of the Ultimate Marvel version then.

Trust me, don't look it up.

When I thought of Scarlet Witch pre MCU, I always thought of the X-Men Evolution version.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133507: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:40:25 AM

Yeah it was really dumb. Wanda’s sons were erased from her memory, then she randomly got reminded of them and snapped.

The Young Avengers as a whole got started because the Avengers were on a break after Wanda’s rampage (“disassembled”). Clint and Scott were dead. Then bunch of plucky kids patterned themselves after the original guys. Kate went by Hawkingbird for a bit because she picked up Hawkeye’s bow and Mockingbird’s staves when they robbed the mansion.

On that note, I liked Adrianne Palicki as Bobbi and always thought it would be great to have her reprise in Hawkeye.

[up][up] I will say that I miss the “Magneto’s kids” dynamic, as for all the suckiness of the 00’s writing that was always one of the more interesting aspects and the MCU forced it out for synergy or whatever. Her recent solo is pretty interesting though and has great art.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133508: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:44:47 AM

Granted they may be bringing back the familial relation of the Maximoff Twins to Mags.

Wanda recently got murdered during a Krakoan ball and Magneto is the only suspect leading to the currently ongoing Trail of Magneto comic.

And Wanda herself may not be fully dead leading to theories that it will end with Wanda being resurrected by the Krakoan resurrection chambers revealing she really is a Mutant again.

Sweetly enough before this during Sword they had actually reconciled again, with Mags stating that regardless of whether their related by blood he will always see her as his daughter.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 13th 2021 at 5:45:38 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133509: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:50:47 AM

Yeah, he basically went like “I love you my ADOPTED daughter” and I said “nice save” out loud.[lol]

Whitewashing is my other issue with the MCU portrayal, but what’s done is done…

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 13th 2021 at 7:51:04 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133510: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:54:23 AM

Man I feel bad for Pietro though. He has it worst.

Killed off because they surrendered the character to the Foxmen despite the Foxmen barely using the character anyway.

Thats some tragic shit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133511: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:57:43 AM

their Quicksilver was better but crazy over powered

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#133512: Sep 13th 2021 at 5:57:46 AM

Honestly Wanda had some good stuff prior to the MCU including the aforementioned X-Men Evolutions adaptations. I liked her well enough prior to the whole Mephisto babies fiasco. It's just that that stint led to a particularly nasty Dork Age for her which happened to be set immediately prior to her adaptation in a manner similar to Tony's, and one with a nasty tinge of sexism to boot (this whole idea that women are baby-crazy and prone to hysterics, as opposed to the more measured grief and subsequent composure she displayed in Children's Crusade).

If they want to reconcile the whole Maximoff re-retcon thing I think it'd just be best if they had it so Magda and Django were related, or something like that.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 13th 2021 at 8:59:45 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#133513: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:04:42 AM

Did Children's Crusade actually help Wanda? From what I've seen, that story made fans hate her even more since she actively sought the power that drove her mad according to the retcon.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133514: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:09:56 AM

..Without a google but knowing what the children's crusade was in real life I'm curious what the title actually refers to

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133515: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:14:37 AM

Wiccan and Speed bringing the Young Avengers on a quest to find their spiritual mom.

[up][up]My honest impression was that “seeking out the magic” got overshadowed by sparkly Doctor Doom and all the AVX hostility, so folks were like “OK, she’s back, here’s plot”.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 13th 2021 at 8:15:20 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#133516: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:15:48 AM

Hawkeye trailer:

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133517: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:21:52 AM

Well, they are definitely going for the comedic "hot mess" tone of the Matt Fraction run.

It feels kind of weird for MCU Clint characterization-wise, but we'll see.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133518: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:22:45 AM

> Wiccan and Speed bringing the Young Avengers on a quest to find their spiritual mom.

Thats admittedly not as bad as I thought,I thought it would involve Wanda building an army of kid mutents

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133519: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:23:53 AM

Holy fuck that car chase is straight outta issue 3 of the Fraction run.

Also damn, a Captain America musical.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#133520: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:30:52 AM

I'm definatly here for the Broadway musical. Amazing.

The tone works for me.

Surprised we're getting a trailer so far in advance. Maybe it's to tie into Blackwidow being released to bluray.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#133521: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:42:37 AM

[up][up][up][up] I think the fact that he clearly still has his family should help pull it away from him going 100% Hawkguy. A major part of Fraction's Hawkeye being an absolute mess is him being a complete loner, to the point where a common fan theory for the show was that Hawkeye was going to be brutally divorced, which doesn't look to be the case here.

Edited by Watchtower on Sep 13th 2021 at 9:43:11 AM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133522: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:47:29 AM

I hope Rogers: The Musical becomes real.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133523: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:50:20 AM

I’m glad it looks like Kate is also a fuck-up like Clint.

Keeping things balanced between the 2 instead of making her hyper-competent.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#133524: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:54:19 AM

I really want it to be a Spider-Man turn of the dark parody.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#133525: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:54:22 AM

Rogers- The Musical better be as 'good' as the in-universe 'Batman- The Musical' from Batman Beyond.


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