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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Its not like anyone would miss him.
Stop it. We're done pissing on Quill. Even me, and I was one of the ones who dunked on him the most.
It's time to start hoping for them to fix Quill. So first, have Nu-Gamora reject him utterly, and force him to accept that the one who fell in love with him is gone and move on.
Then maybe beat his ass a bit.
And then having bounce back and remind us he's a hero.
...and then, when people have grown attached to him....then kill him.
That way, it'll mean something.
One Strip! One Strip!Though Vormir itself serves the purpose of being the home of the Soul Stone, at least we'll get the alternate Gamora being active within the Guardians of the Galaxy.
Beyond just Vormir, there's the matter of Jane Foster and how she was wasted within Phases 1-2 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Now, I am personally fine with Jane as an astrophysicist since it is a nice way to modernize the character and give her more to do. The EMH cartoon had Jane as an emergency medic instead of a nurse's also been an oncologist in the comics. That said, she only got to show off her scientific skills once in Thor and never does it again in Thor: The Dark World with Erik Selvig doing all the science stuff instead. She was also absent for the rest of the Infinity Saga and mentioned to have broken up with Thor in Thor: Ragnarok. Her only other appearance was a small cameo in Avengers: Endgame and even that was deleted footage from The Dark World. She also wasn't able to appear in The Avengers (2012) due to her actress Natalie Portman's pregnancy at the time. I must confess that I am not the biggest fan of Jane Foster Thor and yes I know that it did happen in an alternate timeline before being made canon but let's face it Jane is not the most popular MCU supporting character among fans with her actress' last few movies being critical and/or commercial flops, not to mention that we haven't got enough time with her and Thor to develop a genuine romantic bond as well as a lack of Character Development since she was a living plot device that existed solely for Thor to save her and activate the Reality Stone/Aether in The Dark World. Also unlike the comics Jane, the MCU version has a pair of colleagues that always follow her, Darcy Lewis (played by Kat Dennings) and Erik Selvig (played by Stellan Skarsgård). I don't have a problem with Jane having a mentor/colleague in her life but the way they handled Darcy and Erik comes off as drawing some attention away from the Thor-Jane relationship and the other Asgardian characters, especially in The Dark World where they come off as just annoying and unfunny. In another universe, they could be utilized more effectively in different roles but they're not that particularly compelling or interesting as Jane's research team. In fact, it's possible for Jane Foster to be the Tritagonist/Deuteragonist of the Thor films as the only human with significant interactions with the God of Thunder and have no Darcy Lewis or Erik Selvig at all or at least the whole "different role" route as mentioned above, plus since she is an astrophysicist I'd imagine that she could have been a Carl Sagan/Neil deGrasse Tyson-esque figure what with her being world famous and winning a Nobel Prize as well as hosting her own show(s), plus it's possible for the actual Tyson to be connected to Jane and her father since he is no stranger to superheroes (he made a cameo appearance in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice). Perhaps Jane could be the astrophysicist present with Nick Fury in The Avengers and gets brainwashed by Loki into getting the iridium to open the portal for the Chituari to invade Earth much like Selvig, that way we could have seen more of Jane's scientific expertise onscreen and made her slightly more popular had her actress not gotten pregnant with Benjamin Milipied after Black Swan.
Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 11th 2021 at 8:05:57 AM
I know this answer is probably cheating, but one change I would make is to just have it so there was a Black Widow movie earlier on in the franchise. Ideally, a film released during Phase Two would've been perfect (a post Winter Soldier story would have been nice), but the story they told with the actual movie could have been placed in Phase Three and worked nicely aside from the post-credits scene.
Having a film starring Natasha being released after her death is just an odd choice in the grand scheme of things. I know the behind the scenes reasons why, but there was such an obvious demand for the film that was left unfulfilled until the last possible moment.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 11th 2021 at 10:40:35 AM
Mm-hmm. I mean, it's not Gamora. Not the one that the audience has grown to know. But, y'know, screw her experiences and continuity of existence and all that. There will be a Gamora-shaped person named Gamora, and that's all her character is worth, right?
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'm hoping that the third Guardians film does address that the Gamora from 2014 is not the same individual from the previous films, and that Quill's character arc in that film is him learning to accept that and to let her go. Basically, deconstruct the idea of a Doppelgänger Replacement Love Interest, end the film with Quill and Gamora going their separate ways, and show that's ultimately the best decision for the two of them.
Maybe that's bit too much nuance to ask for. I dunno if Gunn was on-board with the idea or if he just has to work around it for the next film.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 11th 2021 at 10:50:26 AM
That's what I'm hoping for, too. But I also despise romance anyway.
I know a lot of people in this thread hate Doctor Strange, but the way it handled Dr. Palmer was good IMO. Amicable Exes, and he doesn't try to "win her back" during the film.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!For the Mandarin, I would have preferred Ben Kingsley's Trevor Slattery to be one of the holders of the title and an actual Ten Rings member to boot. He had the potential to be a modernized and badass depiction of a character with a lot of baggage, an Osama Bin Laden-esque mastermind that is terrifying and awesome at the same time from the few scenes we see him in, plus it's Kingsley and he'll give it his all to have a good performance. We could have actually seen Iron Man fight the Mandarin onscreen. After he's killed, someone else like Xu Wenwu would become the Mandarin and continue its legacy in another film. As for Aldrich Killian, he just wasn't that compelling or interesting, coming off as yet another Ivan Vanko (wants to Tony Stark over a personal event in his life), so maybe he should be The Dragon to Trevor/Mandarin with no connections to Tony or replaced by Maya Hansen (the originally intended significant villain for Iron Man 3).
Continuing on the What If of Ant-Man and the Wasp as founding Avengers, Black Widow and Hawkeye would have made their MCU debuts in Phase 2 instead of Phase 1. Perhaps they could have shown up in Iron Man 3 where they are on an undercover mission to stop or track down the people behind the Extremis attacks and accidentally encounter Iron Man in rural Tennessee instead of Harley Keener. Also, their absence could be explained as tracking down a group of rogue SHIELD agents selling their secrets to the highest bidder in another country before they could have fought alongside the Avengers in New York. Also, Scarlett Johansson might not even be Black Widow and someone like the original choice Emily Blunt could have been cast in the role. For Hawkeye, it's possible that Jeremy Renner might not be the character and someone else would have been picked, much like Widow. They might appear again in The Winter Soldier and wouldn't become official Avengers until 'after the end of Civil War assuming if Scarlet Witch and/or Quicksilver still join the team.
Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 11th 2021 at 8:35:25 AM
This isn't even like the Ship of Theseus though. It kind of violates the entire premise of the Ship of Theseus by virtue of time travel. It'd be like plucking a version of me when I was 16. Is it me? Yes. Does that me have the same experiences I currently have at age 23? No. It *is* me, but it's not the *current* me.
She's kinda in the same boat as the Loki working for the TVA: he knows about the character development his other self went through, but his own development happened in a different way.
Edited by lbssb on Sep 11th 2021 at 8:32:40 AM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonOf course, she is going to be in the sequel. And What If? featured an episode predicated on Palmer dying in the car crash instead of Strange losing his hands. That resulted in him going mad from the grief of losing his beloved and murdering the world in an ill-conceived attempt to get her back at all costs.
So. Y'know. She seems to be locked in as his Official Love Interest anyways.
It also doesn't have continuity-of-consciousness. It's not just missing your experiences; it's missing you.
If you shot me in the face and then brought a version of me from yesterday into today, it would have most of my memories and experiences intact. But that's still not me. I am dead. I died when you shot me in the face. Everyone else gets to have a replacement me, but I remain dead while the other me lives my life in my place.
Think of it like Loki. The Loki who died in Endgame is irreplaceable. There is a Loki now running around in the Loki series, but he's not Loki. He's a parallel Loki. A different character with the same name, face, personality, and most of the same memories and experiences as the Loki we knew.
That's what I mean when I say that the MCU will continue to have a Gamora-shaped character named Gamora running around in it. But Gamora? The character we've gotten to know over the course of three films? She's still dead. She's never coming back. Gamora II is a brand-new character taking her place.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Define a "social being".
If I die, but have a backup of my brain that downloads into a new body, albeit missing a few hours or a day of memories, that's still me as long as I consider myself me, is it not?
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 11th 2021 at 12:10:38 PM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!I do think "completely different character" is a bit of a stretch. It's a different version of the same character, same as alternate Loki. It's a bit splitting hairs but it's not like this is a human accountant who likes flowers who happens to be named Gamora. She's functionally the same character, just somewhere along she was c. the first guardians of the galaxy film.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Okay this is gonna sound a bit weird but bare with me here...
It both *is* and *isn't* you. It's a dialectic. A contradiction.
It has all of your memories from up to a certain point, but *AFTER* that point of departure, there comes new experiences, new events in life, etc.
The Greek philosopher Heraclitus once remarked that a man doesn't step into the same river twice because it's not the same man nor the same river. He means that a man is constantly changing throughout life, and so is the river. Everything is in motion.

Have the Hulk sacrifice himself and Banner gets the Soul Stone.
Okey Dokey!