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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#133326: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:46:56 PM

I think Fantastic Four might be 2023.

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#133327: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:58:00 PM

A bit of news regarding Charlie Cox's on Daredevil's possible appearance in Spider-Man: No Way Home. When asked by Uproxx if he was in the film, this was Cox's response:

" Obviously, I’m not going to speak about anything in regards to whether it is or isn’t, just because I would hate to spoil anything for anyone".

In other words, he is really coy on whether or not his character is in No Way Home (probably in a small cameo as Peter's lawyer). By his own admission, he wasn't in Atlanta (the shooting location for No Way Home) and spent his time in Dublin filming his scenes for a new AMC show, Kin. Though judging by his comment above, it may or may not be an indication that Matt is making a reappearance in the MCU.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 10th 2021 at 4:58:59 AM

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#133328: Sep 10th 2021 at 4:59:28 PM

Wasn’t there a widescreen release of the trailer that showed he wasn’t Peter’s lawyer?

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#133329: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:08:44 PM

We're talking here about a potential Daredevil cameo and not the since Jossed forearms theory. Even if Matt did show up in the film, he would have a small role as Peter's lawyer and the film wouldn't directly reference the events of the 2015 series of the same name.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#133330: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:09:22 PM

The widescreenshot more precisely showed that he wasn't the character in the room in that shot. This doesn't do much to quell speculation that he's in the film (for all we know he walks in the room seconds after that shot in the trailer claiming he's here to take Pete's case pro bono in classic Murdock fashion).

With that said, to me it seems pretty clear that Cox isn't in this movie at all, but he's trying not to crush people's hopes (also likely antecipating that even if he denied, people obviously wouldn't believe him) and/or trying to keep a door open for himself if they want him back in some fashion.

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#133331: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:10:38 PM

With that said, to me it seems pretty clear that Cox isn't in this movie at all, but he's trying not to crush people's hopes (also likely anticipating that even if he denied, people obviously wouldn't believe him) and/or trying to keep a door open for himself if they want him back in some fashion.

Such is the problem with the rumor mills. (Sidenote, I'm really eager to check out Kin)

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133332: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:15:28 PM

You know, I think we should all keep Feige's statement about why they cut Cumberbatch's WV cameo to begin with in our hearts and minds:

“But it would have taken away from Wanda, which is what we didn’t want to do. We didn’t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie — here’s the white guy, ‘Let me show you how power works.’”

If the rumors are true, this is Spiderverse 2.0 Live Action Boogaloo featuring Doctor Strange and at least half of the Sinister Six. I don't want it to be so grossly overstuffed that Peter just feels like a Pinball Protagonist swinging from one plot point to another and drowned out by all the other people in his own damn movie.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 10th 2021 at 7:15:48 AM

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#133333: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:21:06 PM

Moving onto the next topic, MCU Fantastic Four will have some established talent and unknowns/rising stars as part of its cast. John Krasinski and Emily Blunt are the most popular choices for Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman since they are a couple in real life and were almost cast as Captain America and Black Widow respectively. Blunt also worked with Disney before on Mary Poppins Returns and Jungle Cruise. That said, it's possible that we might not get a Krasinski Mr. Fantastic and a Blunt Invisible Woman as much as I want it to happen. Rather, it might be actors we never expected for these roles.

For other actors that could fulfill the established talent and unknowns/rising stars parts of the cast such as say James Wolk (established) and Lucy Boynton (rising star) as potential options for the Fantastic Four, among others. I would recommend Dacre Montgomery or Lucas Hedges in the role since they are young, rising talents with plenty of potential. For the Thing, I have no idea who could play him though other people have their own choices in mind.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 10th 2021 at 5:21:16 AM

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#133335: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:28:23 PM

To be fair, Blunt said that she could play a superhero if it were someone that was cool. Now, whether or not she would consider the Invisible Woman to be cool depends on her personal opinion. It would be more accurate to say that she is rather lukewarm towards the genre though not entirely ruling the possibility of being part of it, if it's a character she deems to be amazing that is.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 10th 2021 at 5:31:03 AM

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#133336: Sep 10th 2021 at 5:34:49 PM

Easy: The Gang Goes To Space.

To me the Blunt-Krasinskis are a super conventional choice and I would prefer they went with someone not particularly obvious and/or an up and comer like Simu Liu or the Phase I guys. Or if William Jackson Harper and Kristen Bell want to reunite? Yes? No?

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 10th 2021 at 7:36:10 AM

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#133337: Sep 10th 2021 at 6:02:22 PM

Personally I'd want them to lean on the family angle and cast older actors for the F4 (aside from Johnny Storm), personally. Get some bolder choices at it rather than every superhero being a 20-year-old-something.

So, Reed and Sue played by actors in their 40's-50's, Ben the same (though his performer would likely be more voice-based than anything), and Johnny the kid of the bunch in his 20s-30's.

So, off the top of my head, something like Jon Hamm as Reed Richards (50) Salma Hayek as Sue Storm (55), Michael Chiklis as The Thing (58, yeah he was too good, just get him back on the saddle), Will Poulter as Johnny Storm (28) or somesuch.

Don't ask me the exact mechanics of Sue having enough of an age gap to be Johnny's mother or I will punch you.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#133338: Sep 10th 2021 at 6:07:24 PM

How is Sue old enough to be Johhny's mother?

Edited by jjjj2 on Sep 10th 2021 at 9:07:43 AM

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#133339: Sep 10th 2021 at 6:08:02 PM

[up][up]How can Sue be Johnny's brother yet old enough to conceivably be his mother?

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Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 10th 2021 at 6:09:03 AM

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#133341: Sep 10th 2021 at 6:13:37 PM

In regards to Krasinski (41) and Blunt (38), they're close enough in age to be husband and wife. Now for someone like Wolk, he's 35 years old white Boynton is 27. That's an eight year age gap. And if we were to pair him up with Hedges or Montgomery, they're 24 and 26 respectively, meaning they're slightly younger than Boynton. Whoever plays the Thing needs to at least be roughly around Reed's age.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 10th 2021 at 6:13:53 AM

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#133342: Sep 10th 2021 at 6:21:57 PM

My choices to play the Human Torch are Andrew Garfield and Ezra Miller, for the sole purpose of the grand tradition of interplay between Johnny Storm, the MCU, and failed film franchises.

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Edited by GeneralGigan on Sep 10th 2021 at 9:22:11 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#133343: Sep 10th 2021 at 6:23:22 PM

The most significant age gap in the comics is between Sue and Reed, really. They're probably anywhere from 10-15 years apart in age. Sue and Johnny are probably around 4-5 years apart.

That being said, actors are often cast for roles wildly different from their own ages, with varying success, so I wouldn't worry about pegging down the "prefect" ages for theories about potential FF characters.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#133345: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:10:07 PM

Shang-Chi's chances of being released in China went from "likely not" to "definitely not".

A series of comments from Simu Liu about China that he made a few years ago are resurfacing in Chinese social media.

Black Widow also didn't got a China release, and Eternals is also likely not get one either. Hopefully and this might even mean that they don't have to catter to China for their future projects.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#133346: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:11:47 PM

Hopefully and this might even mean that they don't have to catter to China for their future projects.

Once again, it is heavily overstated how much Disney "cater" to the Chinese market.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133347: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:15:41 PM

Ironic that the Shang isn't getting released in China.

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#133348: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:18:53 PM

The thing is Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings and Eternals were made for China, especially the former. Both films even went out of their way to cast Overseas Chinese actors (i.e. Simu Liu and Gemma Chan) and the latter had Chloé Zhao as director. However, Shang-Chi is already disliked by Mainland Chinese viewers for being a Western movie that plays too fast and loose with their culture, the Mandarin (a Yellow Peril stereotype) as the main antagonist and Liu's comments about China being a Third World country with plenty of starvation. Eternals has a director who doesn't like the CCP and an LGBT character, something that doesn't bode well with Chinese audiences.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#133349: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:22:56 PM

I would (fairly strongly) disagree that Shang Chi was "made for China".

It definitely has elements that seem like an appeal to China, including the use of Mandarin instead of Cantonese. I'd agree that some of the castings would qualify but not that of Chan who is a British actress. Ditto Liu. Yeah he was born in China (which makes the Chinese hate for him stupid), but he's most well known as the co-star of a Canadian tv show.

However, the movie is super about the Chinese-American experience.

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 10th 2021 at 9:23:43 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#133350: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:23:26 PM

Shang-Chi a case can be made was conceived with an eye for the chinese market (it is a chinese-culture-focused martial arts extravaganza with several iconic chinese actors like Tony Leung and Michelle Yeoh), but Eternals is a big stretch. If Eternals was "made for China" then every single film with a chinese(-american) actor or creative figure was "made for China".

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