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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#133126: Sep 6th 2021 at 5:55:00 PM

I watched the pilot of Inhumans.

My conclusion was that it's a heart-wrenching, Shakespearean tragedy about Anson Mount trying to portray the best Black Bolt possible on the worst show ever made.

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#133127: Sep 6th 2021 at 6:00:37 PM

I want them to bring back the Inhumans solely to give Anson Mount another chance as Black Bolt (and because Black Bolt is a cool as hell character when done right), he deserves it. He made up a whole sign language to prepare for the role.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 6th 2021 at 6:01:07 AM

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#133128: Sep 6th 2021 at 7:35:17 PM

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#133129: Sep 6th 2021 at 7:56:29 PM

Hey, random question in regards to Loki. Do we know if this Miss Minutes Twitter account is officially affiliated with Marvel Studios?

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#133130: Sep 6th 2021 at 8:07:54 PM

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Agreed. I won't say anything more to avoid spoilers, but Shang Chi have proven to me that some characters can work with the right scripts and effort.

This is actually why I've flipped my position and want Finn Jones to come back as Iron Fist. Give him a shot at doing the character right.

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#133131: Sep 6th 2021 at 8:09:44 PM

Should give Mount a mask next time.

It’s not Black Bolt is an expressive character.

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#133132: Sep 6th 2021 at 8:12:26 PM

[up][up]...Quick question, what do you think the problems are?

...And why Finn Jones? He's not special, he doesn't need "redemption".

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#133133: Sep 6th 2021 at 8:15:43 PM

If you’re referring to the character in Shang-Chi that I think you’re referring to, I do note that from what I saw few people actually hated the character himself. There were many that found him entertaining, they just hated what he represented in terms of plot direction.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#133134: Sep 6th 2021 at 8:45:20 PM

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Basically, most of what everyone has said. But also, to me, them dunking on Danny during the Defenders, and then even taking the Iron Fist from him. At first I liked that, but seeing the logic others have given that taking it away from him (when he really did earn it, even if he made some bad calls afterwards) just fed into the hatred and showed they had no faith in him.

So this time, let Jones play the character right. I think he could if given the chance, plus he took so much shit from so many people that I kinda want to see him come back, do better, and shut them all up (though that last part is kinda impossible).

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#133135: Sep 6th 2021 at 8:50:35 PM

And give him a Goddamn costume.

Its ridiculous he never got to wore anything flashy especially since he and DD are the only members of the Defenders who actually has an ensemble.

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#133136: Sep 6th 2021 at 10:52:52 PM

Just finished episode 5, the one where Frank gets captured. I'll make up a summary of my feelings and reactions later in the morning since it's ten minutes to one in the morning and M84 is off to the side, thumping a club in his hand rather threateningly.

But...I'll give you my honest reactions to key points in episode 5:

OH GOD, A DRILL IN THE FOOT, I DID NOT NEED THAT THIS LATE IN THE NIGHT

(Later, when Elektra shows up)

Elektra? Wait, you're now here. If you're here, that means...

OH GOD, THE HAND IS COMING, I DID NOT NEED THAT THIS LATE IN THE NIGHT

...Guess I'll better clock in.

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#133137: Sep 7th 2021 at 12:16:02 AM

I wouldn't worry too much. For all of Daredevil Season 2's writing flaws, it's at least not boring to watch. The fights are still fun and there's really good moments scattered around. Just don't expect compelling villains, or much connective tissue between the Hand plot and the Punisher plot.

Daredevil Season 2 is strange because to me, it has simultaneously some of the highest highs of the entire Netflix saga and also some of the lowest lows. It's really inconsistent in quality rather than simply being good or bad.

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#133138: Sep 7th 2021 at 12:21:13 AM

What I find weird about the Hand is how they didn’t bring in characters to actually spice them up.

Like the Hand is actually that basic and dull within the comics but adaptations can easily circumvent this by just bringing in unrelated colorful characters and connecting them. But they didn’t, they only brought in Bakuto and had the Hand top 5 just be a bunch of canon foreigners.

Like shit they couldn’t even bring in that Ikari guy whose basically Daredevil but he can see.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 7th 2021 at 1:00:08 AM

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#133139: Sep 7th 2021 at 12:36:14 AM

Yeah, the mishandling (heh) of the Hand is bizarre. Nobu Yoshioka is just a lieutenant instead of the grandmaster? Bakuto is the only leader loosely based on an actual comic book character? Everybody else is nameless mooks or OCs?

Also, Madame Gao being a Hand leader is a painfully obvious revision to the script compared to her prior appearances in Daredevil.

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#133140: Sep 7th 2021 at 6:05:23 AM

Daredevil Season 2 is strange because to me, it has simultaneously some of the highest highs of the entire Netflix saga and also some of the lowest lows. It's really inconsistent in quality rather than simply being good or bad.

I have to agree. Season 2 has so much stuff going on that it really feels unfocused.

For instance, Elektra has some good moments, but she also makes me not really like season 2 Matt. Elektra is supposed to be toxic, but there's this line of logic that is broken regarding her interactions with Matt that goes both ways and takes away from both characters. Matt seems way too invested into Elektra over the court stuff and it makes a lot of the drama in the back half of the season feel contrived, whether it's with Matt and Elektra, or Matt's interactions with Karen and Foggy.

Another example is that the first four episodes, the ones with just the Punisher arc, are great. But the Punisher storyline ran out of steam before the end of the season and was clearly acting like a backdoor pilot for his solo show (while the Hand story was acting as a backdoor pilot for The Defenders). It would've probably improved the pacing on The Punisher season 1 if he disappeared from Daredevil season 2 after he got out of jail and everything from there to the end of DDS2 was saved for The Punisher.

It even shows in the fight scenes. I can recall specific fight scenes in season 1 (Matt vs. Rance, the hallway fight, both of Matt's fights with Fisk) and season 3 (the prison fight, all three of Matt's fights with Dex), but with season 2, it feels like they throw nonstop action at you so you don't check out.

The quality dropoff in Daredevil season 2, in my book, is worse than the quality dropoff in Luke Cage season 1 with the transition from Cottonmouth to Diamondback. I'm more tolerating of Diamondback than the Hand mostly because Diamondback fits in with the campier tone of Luke Cage, whereas ninjas don't belong on the same show as Wilson Fisk, Dex, and Ray Nadeem.

Also, Madame Gao being a Hand leader is a painfully obvious revision to the script compared to her prior appearances in Daredevil.

It's definitely obvious that it's a retcon because in retrospect, it means two Hand members were working with Fisk without realizing the other was Hand too.

Edited by dmcreif on Sep 7th 2021 at 9:11:34 AM

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#133141: Sep 7th 2021 at 6:08:23 AM
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#133142: Sep 7th 2021 at 6:44:42 AM

The Netflix MCU's treatment of the Hand is the biggest reason I want something of a Soft Reboot to it. Pulling in that canon as-is means pulling all of the garbage surrounding the Hand and by extension Iron Fist, including a poor telling of the death and rebirth of Elektra. No thank you, I'd like a do-over please.

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#133143: Sep 7th 2021 at 6:56:01 AM

[up][up] Seriously, you put in a disclaimer about sexualizing female characters right before asking that question. What's the matter with you?

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#133144: Sep 7th 2021 at 6:57:15 AM

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#133145: Sep 7th 2021 at 6:59:03 AM

Well, the best ass in the MCU is undoubtedly Steve Rogers'. I think we can all agree on that. Meanwhile, Tony is the biggest ass, with Hank Pym pulling a close second.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 7th 2021 at 9:59:56 AM

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#133146: Sep 7th 2021 at 7:01:03 AM

I’d think it was Scott who had the biggest ass while not being the biggest ass

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#133147: Sep 7th 2021 at 7:02:31 AM

Nah that's Tom Holland.

Like man that thing is impressive

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#133148: Sep 7th 2021 at 7:14:52 AM

..pervert!

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#133149: Sep 7th 2021 at 7:18:05 AM

I think that the Hulk has the biggest ass and is probably one of the bigger asses too.

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#133150: Sep 7th 2021 at 7:47:01 AM

I’m not sure if Ego’s planet has one but he could definitely make it if he wanted and it’d be the biggest bum in the galaxy. Maybe even universe.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 7th 2021 at 7:47:49 AM


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