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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LinkMarioSamus Since: Aug, 2021
#133076: Sep 4th 2021 at 12:47:48 PM

Sorry I didn't take that into account. I apologize if my question came across that way, it was not the intention at all.

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#133077: Sep 4th 2021 at 2:33:02 PM

So reading the plot synopsis for Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings and its TV Tropes page, we have a couple of ideas for what the hypothetical sequel would look like:

  • Shang-Chi will join the Avengers since he met Hulk (in his Bruce Banner form) and Captain Marvel.
  • His sister Xialing will be the main antagonist.

As for the name of the sequel, I'm guessing that it will be called Shang-Chi: Revenge of the Ten Rings or something along those lines. Of course, the film will break a Labor Day box office record but at the same time it's projected to have the lowest opening weekend for any MCU film ever, only surpassing The Incredible Hulk that is at least if you don't include inflation (Hulk would actually surpass Shang-Chi). There's also reports that Eternals could be delayed if Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings doesn't do well enough at the box office. Judging by early numbers, it could go either way. Of course, even if Shang-Chi became a box office disappointment, Marvel Studios will simply have him pop up in other movies and possibly make a sequel exclusive to streaming, just look at HBO Max's Black Canary film after Birds of Prey (2020) flopped.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Sep 4th 2021 at 2:54:03 AM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#133078: Sep 4th 2021 at 5:36:42 PM

So I imagine everyone here saw the speculation that Charlie Cox's Daredevil was in the No Way Home trailer, right?

Well, thanks to the bigger aspect ratio of the trailer in theaters, we can see that that's very clearly not Charlie Cox.

Edited by Akirakan on Sep 4th 2021 at 7:37:04 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#133080: Sep 4th 2021 at 6:13:24 PM

Yeah, given as the film is apparently overflowing with returning villains, it felt odd to expect such a big character in what appears to be an early minor role.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#133081: Sep 4th 2021 at 6:14:51 PM

[up] It should be noted Cox wasn't in Atlanta at all last year. He was in Ireland, shooting Kin.

Marvel fans are obsessed with a Daredevil/Matt Murdock cameo in the new movie.

“One of my good friends in New York, who knows me really well texted me a clip from a leaked trailer that has me in it. I had to write back to tell him that it wasn’t real.

“Like you could clearly see it wasn’t real. This is a guy that knows me and he fell for it. I’m like, ‘Do you think I wouldn’t have told you?’

“There was a fan on the Kin crew. I came to work one day, and the rumour had come out that I was filming in Atlanta, and he asked me like it was a sensible question, and I was like, ‘I’ve been here every day with you, on set’ but I think he was so hopeful that he still was like, ‘Is it true?’; I had to say to him, ‘How would it be true?

“Even if I had a few days off, we’re in the middle of a pandemic. I’m not allowed to fly anywhere. What are you talking about?’ Did he think Captain America came to get me?” Still, funny moments aside it must be quite a lot to deal with knowing that a character you’ve portrayed means so much to so many people.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133082: Sep 5th 2021 at 12:05:18 AM

Okay I just now found out that Mac Gargan is played by Michael Mando.

Michael Mando as in..........

Vaas "Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?" Montenegro

Why is he not Scorpion yet?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#133083: Sep 5th 2021 at 3:29:48 AM

There is speculation that the Scorpion suit is visible silouetted in the No Way home trailer, but I've also heard people say it's clearly the Lizard, Venom, or a generic monster in Strange's captivity.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#133084: Sep 5th 2021 at 7:25:29 AM

So is Shang Chi going to get theatrical releases only? Because I'm not going to be able to see it in theatres soon, considering my country's still under heavy lockdown until who-knows-when...

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#133085: Sep 5th 2021 at 7:37:32 AM

[up] You and me both (I'm a Philippine resident). Even then, my parents would find it dangerous to go to a cinema at a time like this.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#133086: Sep 5th 2021 at 7:50:46 AM

It will be on Disney+ after 45 days.

(Which, I believe, Southeast Asia still doesn't have?)

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 5th 2021 at 9:52:27 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#133087: Sep 5th 2021 at 9:07:02 AM

Yup. I'm in Vietnam, and we still haven't got Disney+ here.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#133088: Sep 5th 2021 at 9:08:29 AM

meanwhile the UK won't get HBO plus for ages!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133089: Sep 5th 2021 at 12:49:59 PM

These streaming services are bullshit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#133090: Sep 5th 2021 at 1:57:02 PM

My hope for No Way Home's Sinister Six is two villains from each franchise:

  • Green Goblin

  • Doc Ock

  • Lizard/Rhino

  • Electro

  • Scorpion

  • Vulture/Shocker/Chameleon

Scorpion as the Big Bad of the movie.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 5th 2021 at 1:57:45 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#133091: Sep 5th 2021 at 2:08:44 PM

What if they have Mac Gargan in the movie, but instead of becoming Scorpion, he gets possessed by the Venom symbiote and becomes the new Venom like he did in the comics? Remember, in Spider-Man 3, Connors still had a piece of the symbiote in his lab that he was studying and we never learned what became of it after the events of the movie. So, what if it escaped during the multiverse shenanigans and took Gargan as a new host?

... Yeah, it's convoluted. And it depends on people actually caring about Gargan!Venom. tongue

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#133092: Sep 5th 2021 at 2:12:43 PM

Eh, I'd rather the final battle of the movie, Spider-Man vs Scorpion, be based on things set up in this franchise, namely Gargan himself and JJJ. Unlike some takes I've seen, I really don't want this movie to be completely taken over by the Raimi and Webb movie francises, it should be able to stand on its own even if you haven't seen those movies.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133093: Sep 5th 2021 at 2:13:15 PM

Gargan/Venom was pretty evil at least.

Guy straight up embraced the symbiote’s cannibalism.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 5th 2021 at 2:13:39 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#133094: Sep 5th 2021 at 2:14:54 PM

Gargan off all of the "main Venom hosts" is the most wicked.

He totally lacks Eddie and Flash's standards

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#133095: Sep 5th 2021 at 2:19:18 PM

It’s funny how sadistic and awful Scorpion turned out to be, given that his backstory is that he was just some random detective JJ hired to follow Peter around. JJ then hit the lottery with like the worst human being alive to grant power to.

Though his backstory with JJ is admittedly a bit of a sore thumb nowadays.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 5th 2021 at 2:19:43 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#133096: Sep 5th 2021 at 2:20:56 PM

Actually, if they do follow-up on the Venom symbiote in Spider-Man 3, I think giving it to Flash would be hilarious and awesome. Maybe in order to fight the Sinister Six, Spidey makes a team of heroes featuring Aaron Davis as Prowler, Ned as Hobgoblin, and Flash as Venom.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#133097: Sep 5th 2021 at 3:44:57 PM

The fact Gargan is already criminal before he met Spider-Man would make Jameson funding the Scorpion procedure for him even funnier.

"Help this man, he's only in jail cause of Spider-Man he's menace!"

"But sir Gargan's already got a long-ass rap sheet."

"That devious Spider-Man, he's hacked the system to put an innocent man in jail!"

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 5th 2021 at 4:18:29 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#133098: Sep 5th 2021 at 4:12:38 PM

The only time that Jameson's involvement with the Scorpion is ever done right since that comic book story is the 90s Animated Series. The Scorpion episode is also where we get the origin of Jameson's hatred of Spider-Man and why he hates people in masks in the first place, and it's clear that the Scorpion project came from honest intentions and Jameson regrets ever doing it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#133099: Sep 5th 2021 at 7:10:13 PM

The 90s animated series did make Mac Gargan more sympathetic in that his main motivation was to be a normal human again. He evidently didn't think the power he gained from the transformation was worth losing any chance of living a normal life.

He was still a villain though since not only was he still resorting to petty crime to pay the bills (and joining the Sinister Six too), he also didn't particularly care who he endangered if it meant becoming normal again. Heck, in his debut episode he nearly caused a nuclear meltdown in an Insane Troll Logic attempt to undo his transformation.

Edited by M84 on Sep 5th 2021 at 10:12:09 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#133100: Sep 5th 2021 at 7:35:20 PM

Oddly enough, Animated Gargan looked exactly the same out of the suit after his transformation as he did before, which is weird, because Gargan pre-transformation was kinda a short troll like dude, and he was a lot bigger as the Scorpion.

One Strip! One Strip!

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