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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Considering ATLA showed an entire generation how cool tieing elemental "magic" with specific martial arts styles is, and the big thing of this movie was taking a character known for his elemental powers and adapting him into a martial arts story, not taking advantage of that potential seems like a ridiculous missed opportunity.
Kaze ni Nare!Hey, the dragon form is straight-up airbending. I didn't miss that.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Books could be written about Xu Wenwu's character arc in this film. I'm going to bed soon so I won't participate in writing them, but he does manage to be fairly complex for a Marvel villain. He's not just a "me smash world" type like Malekith.
Of course the plot cheats on its moral lesson by having the big CG monster kill him, saving Shang-Chi from having to make that choice.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 3rd 2021 at 11:56:31 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Fighteer Well, Shang-Chi already made his decision just before the monster kills his father. He had all the Ten Rings and had the chance to kill him right there and now. He choose not to kill his father. What the monster does provide is for the father to sacrifice his long life for the life of his son.
Russo Brothers at "an Impasse" to Direct Another Marvel Movie After Scarlett Johansson Lawsuit.
Since the lawsuit, brothers Joe Russo and Anthony Russo, directors of Marvel’s “Avengers: Endgame,” the highest-grossing movie of all time, hit an impasse in negotiations to direct another Marvel movie. The Johansson dispute left them unsure how their next movie would be distributed and how they would be paid, according to people familiar with the matter. The Russos declined to comment.
From the same article: Scarlet Johansson wanted $100 mln for Black Widow
After the simultaneous release was announced, Ms. Johansson’s team made an opening bid: Pay the actress $80 million. The calculation was based on what the star would receive in a hypothetical global box-office take of $1.2 billion, a sum in league with Marvel hits “Captain Marvel” and “Black Panther.” (Hobbled by the pandemic and at-home release, the movie has so far been one of Marvel’s worst performers, with $371 million grossed world-wide.)
The deal, as pitched, would pay Ms. Johansson a total of $100 million for the movie, including her $20 million salary. It was an eye-popping sum, but her team saw it as a starting point. Disney never responded with a counteroffer.
Edited by Asherinka on Sep 4th 2021 at 12:36:51 PM
Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.You'd think these bastards would've learned from the Perlmutter situation.
Mixed thoughts on the Russos returning after the various choices they made on Infinity War and Endgame. No doubt they were better than bringing Whedon back, and I don't doubt that their hands may have been partially tied by Executive Meddling, but they made a fair number of questionable and distasteful decisions that were strictly their own.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 4th 2021 at 6:57:38 AM
TBH when you realize that the entire budget of Wanda Vision is around 200 mln, and Olsen likely got no more than 10 mln for the entirety of it without any additional payments, and (in my humble opinion) she did a much better job there, you kinda lose a smidge of sympathy for SJ's cause. Or maybe that's just me.
I doubt even RDJ ever got 100 mln from a single movie.
Edit: To put this in perspective, check this article
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- RDJ got $75 mln for "Endgame"
- Chris Evans got $15 mln apiece for "Civil War," "Infinity War," and "Endgame"
- Chris Hemsworth got $15 mln apiece for "Thor: Ragnarok," "Infinity War" and "Endgame"
- Brie Larsen got $5 mln for "Captain Marvel"
- Chadwick Boseman got $2 mln for "Black Panther"
None of them but RDJ and SJ had a "special deal" that allowed them to get the % of the overall profits in addition to the fixed part.
Wall Street Journal claims that she got the $20 mln fixed part and 80/1200~6,6% of the box-office. Since the actual box office is indeed 371mln
, she got around $45 mln already + proceeds from D+ (Disney stated that they paid her a % of Premier Access fees as well).
That's all insane.
Edited by Asherinka on Sep 4th 2021 at 3:33:55 PM
Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.If I remember correctly, this includes things like killing off Natasha, sending Steve back to Peggy, etc.?
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A lot of the controversy stems, I think, from those who think it was a disservice to Peggy, feeling it reduced her to a prize for Steve.
Edited by dmcreif on Sep 4th 2021 at 8:38:27 AM
Okey Dokey!I dunno which is more hilarious: ScarJo expecting to make $100m (as noted $25m more than what leading man RDJ made in Endgame) or the "calculus" that BW would've broken $1b.
And I liked BW but there's no universe where it makes over a billion. You need Shang-Chi's reception and overall hype to do that well and BW was never going to get close to that.
I still overall back ScarJo's fight in principle but it's kinda easy to see why Disney would just walk from those numbers. Easy narrative is that they were waiting for ScarJo to come back with more "reasonable" starting numbers.
Yeah, $100 million is absurd, especially for a film releasing pre-post-pandemic as this one did. Admittedly that's not Johannsen's fault, but one must be realistic about these things (ironically).
If I had to personally rank Captain Marvel against Black Widow? I try not to do that because it feels puerile. They are very different films trying to do very different things. Also, are we comparing them just because they have female leads? Isn't that kind of regressive?
But fine: I would put Captain Marvel ahead. Aside from the spectacle at the ending, Black Widow is more of a spy flick than a superhero film, which is Marvel's bread and butter. Its attempt to inexpertly mix the two genres is where it falls apart the most. Captain Marvel is a superhero film from start to finish and never loses sight of what it's trying to accomplish.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 4th 2021 at 9:25:05 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Remember folks, Scar Jo isn't JUST the lead actress she's also one of the Executive Producers on Black Widow, THOSE people are the ones who get the largest paychecks/returns from a film.
Its why Patty and Gal got 20 Million paychecks but nobody else on WW 84 got those cuts...because they were both Producers on the film.
RDJ wasn't noted as a producer on IW or Endgame IIRC so he wouldn't have gotten as huge of a check, and the offer was a starting point, they most likely were looking for a lower number knowing Disney would counter offer that would (in theory) be closer to the number Scar Jo actually wanted. Common haggling trick.
Such a big budget for WV probably has a bit to do with the attention to detail when it came to recreating the atmosphere of the sitcoms they were homaging.
Okey Dokey!Just seems disingenuous, then, that out of the 25 or so projects we've had you pick the two unambiguously led by women.
I don't think the reception was even that similar the besides RT scores (unless you count sexist trolls which, then, yes, it just circles right back around to their womanhood). CM and BW set out to do different things and the respective reception were in response to those goals: Black Widow is a serviceable but too-late midquel adventure, so it did not have to do as much characterization-wise; Captain Marvel is a good but formulaic origin story for a new character, making it more comparable to something like Doctor Strange.
Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 4th 2021 at 11:44:03 AM

Ha, guess you shouldn’t change the powers after all.
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