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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132951: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:30:44 PM

Captain Carter is going completely bare faced.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#132952: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:32:28 PM

I think that might be because Cap's kind of face covering is probably hard for long flowing hair. [lol]

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Disasturbator
#132953: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:34:43 PM

> that's because Dafoe looks scarier and more Goblin-like without the mask.

dude that is so mean

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#132954: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:36:06 PM

[up]Oh no, that was meant as a compliment. The man owns the role as a crazy supervillain. Just look back at some of the facial expressions he makes during the movie, it's clear he's having a ton of fun with it.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 31st 2021 at 2:38:12 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132955: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:39:56 PM

Well of course.

Dafoe has more bones in his face than most people have in their entire body so he'd make a perfect supervillain.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#132956: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:41:34 PM

Willem Dafoe is truly a master of making faces that look like he just ate your butterfly collection and currently has seven scented erasers in his butthole.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#132957: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:42:54 PM

What the fuck does that even mean?!

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#132958: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:43:54 PM

[up]Exactly what it sounds like.

It's colorful, but definitely accurate.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 31st 2021 at 2:44:30 AM

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jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
BLADE Pathfinders
#132959: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:44:30 PM

It means This timeline was a mistake and we need to prune it

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132960: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:51:13 PM

Even then, Tony still exits the armor or loses his faceplate inordinately frequently throughout the films. The movies are full of shit like the start of Age of Ultron, where Tony just pops out in the middle of an enemy base during a siege. Exposing himself to potential enemy fire is a small price to pay for that sweet, sweet face time.

I remember recently reading a ficlet where this particular instance got him killed because the scepter happened to be booby trapped.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132961: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:55:39 PM

Iron Fist Honest Trailer.

Okay these shows really do suffer from a lack of variety. I think Jessica Jones was the only one not about fighting another gang war.

Though the bit about choreography is a low blow since Jones barely had any time to actually learn how to do the fight scenes.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#132962: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:07:39 PM

Yeah, Iron Fist Season 1 was like the redheaded Stepchild of the Netflix bunch.

But then Inhumans came along and made even it look great grin

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#132963: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:09:37 PM

Blame Scott Buck.

He's also responsible for the horrid final season of Dexter (up until Game of thrones it was considered to be THE worst final season of an acclaimed show)

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132964: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:15:06 PM

Kang the Conqueror is another famously always masked character and Marvel didn't hold to that, either.

TBF, Kang is one of the most visible example of an Expressive Mask in all of comicdom, with a mask so indistinguishable from an actual face that the mask is commonly mistaken for his actual face.

So I can see why Marvel just wouldn't bother with it at all.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 31st 2021 at 3:15:20 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#132965: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:16:14 PM

I honestly don't hate IF season 1. I rewatched it recently with a clear mind and while I took note of all the bad stuff, I also noticed a lot of good stuff. The Meachums are all fascinating characters, Colleen, Davos, and Gao are compelling, there's some really stylish scenes when the show isn't focusing on martial arts, the Hand are a step up from their depiction in Daredevil S2, and it has some interesting things to say about subjective experience.

The two biggest problems are that Danny Rand himself isn't a very good protagonist (yet) and the fight scenes trend from "somewhat acceptable" to "utterly mediocre". And unfortunately, having your main character and your central premise as a martial arts show both be mediocre is a really unfortunate combination.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Aug 31st 2021 at 6:22:51 AM

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#132966: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:16:40 PM

Tbf we haven't seen Kang's actual look yet. He who remains is based on Immortus who's face is uncovered.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#132967: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:17:00 PM

Truth be told, for years I actually thought Kang was just a weird blue alien. That said, it would be a shame to just not have the mask since it's an iconic part of his look.

[up]We actually saw a statue of Kang at the very end of Loki. He's wearing the costume, just not the mask or helmet.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 31st 2021 at 3:18:08 AM

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Goku Black
#132968: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:17:38 PM

Me too

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#132969: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:17:45 PM

We did at least see a statue of who appears to Kang.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132970: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:17:48 PM

[up][up][up][up] We have. There's a statue of him at the end of Loki Season 1. No mask.

[nja]'d.

Either way, we can probably expect that any intricate features of Kang (like facial features - IE, skintight mask) aren't going to be too far removed from HWM, because they're going to want every version of Kang to be immediately recognizable as another version of the same actor.

For the helmet, since our resting villain face we saw on the statue didn't have it, my guess is they'll give it the same treatment as Loki's helm or Zemo's mask: usually not present, comes on in one or two moments as a badass nod, etc.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 31st 2021 at 3:21:36 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132971: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:23:24 PM

Man that would be a shame.

Its like how they changed Ultron's face so he'd be more "expressive".

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132972: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:26:25 PM

Okay these shows really do suffer from a lack of variety. I think Jessica Jones was the only one not about fighting another gang war.

Jessica Jones Season 1: Kilgrave. Season 2: Alisa. Season 3: Sallinger.

Daredevil: Fisk for seasons 1 and 3, the Hand in season 2. Gang wars in Hell's Kitchen.

Luke Cage: Gang wars in Harlem.

Iron Fist: Gang wars in Chinatown (between Yangshi-Gonshi and the Hand in season 1, Yangshi-Gonshi, the Golden Tigers and Davos in season 2).

Though the bit about choreography is a low blow since Jones barely had any time to actually learn how to do the fight scenes.

Most days they were walking on to set and receiving the choreography on that day. There were even days where they only had 15 minutes before filming began to learn the choreography.

Okey Dokey!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#132973: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:42:28 PM

It is unfortunate.

I do think Iron Fist gets more hate than it really deserves from people looking to Accentuate the Negative, but you can definitely smell Scott Buck's stench on it and you can tell it was rushed out so they could set up Defenders. It's the Iron Man 2 of the Netflix shows.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#132974: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:48:38 PM

I'm surprised that his mask wasn't his actual face but then again, I shouldn't be surprised since he's descended from humans.

The legend has returned.
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#132975: Aug 31st 2021 at 3:54:43 PM

Iron Fist season 1 isn't very good, but its supporting cast at the very least kept it afloat. I won't say no to David Wenham. But also I feel it has the benefit of coming out the same year as Inhumans, which uh...yeah, most things look positively glowing next to that.

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