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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#132926: Aug 31st 2021 at 10:18:46 AM

It's not like James Spader ever showed up onscreen in Age of Ultron.

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#132927: Aug 31st 2021 at 10:19:58 AM

Same with Bradley Cooper or Vin Diesel or the other motion-capped guys.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#132928: Aug 31st 2021 at 10:29:19 AM

That reminds me how annoyed Paul Bettany was once he became the Vision. In his role as JARVIS he just needed to record with this monotone voice that took him like a day and received a big paycheck for it, only for later having to actually appear on-screen with heavy make-up.

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#132929: Aug 31st 2021 at 10:54:19 AM

It bears noting that Ultron, Groot and Rocket aren't human, so there isn't a need for the actors to appear on screen. Doom is just a guy in a mask and they already hsve an in built excuse given the number of times he's repaired his face in the comics.

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#132930: Aug 31st 2021 at 11:13:52 AM

[up][up] I thought it was the opposite? I heard Bettany was excited to take on the role of Vision because it wasn't just him doing V.O. work for an easy paycheck anymore.

Although I can believe him not being pleased with the heavy make-up required for the role. I don't think I've heard any actor who's been pleased to go through that process.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 31st 2021 at 2:15:29 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#132931: Aug 31st 2021 at 11:17:25 AM

I'd be fine with seeing his face if it was deformed like in the comics (sometimes)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132932: Aug 31st 2021 at 11:25:14 AM

Ultimate being masked for the whole film is something that is up to the person playing Doom rather than the studio themselves, necessarily. If they really want to commit to keeping him masked, they’ll cast someone who isn’t insistent on having their face visible and in marketing position as much as possible.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#132933: Aug 31st 2021 at 11:48:23 AM

I imagine with whoever becomes Doom they go out of their way to grab him for whatever even if he's fully covered and masked up, mainly to have the actor still perform with their body and eyes. Spader, Brolin, and Ruffalo are all actively involved in filming despite playing animated characters because some part of their physicality is still being translated to the final product - the whole reason Ultron was redesigned with a face was so that they could take more advantage of Spader's facial performance.

Only way I see them play the "just VA in post" card is if he's physically made so daunting that they need a body double like with Darth Vader, which I doubt they'll do.

Edited by Watchtower on Aug 31st 2021 at 2:56:12 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#132934: Aug 31st 2021 at 12:05:41 PM

Well that's kind of backwards, they didn't need a body double for Vader, they needed a voice double. Lucas just thought Prowse's voice was too soft and posh for Vader, so he got someone else.

For Doom, he has taken his mask off plenty of times in the comics, so it just comes down to the specific story they're trying to tell.

Kang the Conqueror is another famously always masked character and Marvel didn't hold to that, either.

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#132936: Aug 31st 2021 at 12:14:40 PM

[up][up] Granted, the version of Kang that has appeared is more similar to Immortus who did go sans mask

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#132937: Aug 31st 2021 at 12:16:40 PM

I thought it was the opposite? I heard Bettany was excited to take on the role of Vision because it wasn't just him doing V.O. work for an easy paycheck anymore.

His answer was very much in Humor Mode, he does like playing Vision, but he always liked how easy of a paycheck doing JARVIS was.

Edited by Akirakan on Aug 31st 2021 at 2:16:58 PM

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#132938: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:07:07 PM

Note that the Iron Man in-helm shots were a clever way of getting around the need to have Iron Man constantly take his faceplate off all the time.

Even then, Tony still exits the armor or loses his faceplate inordinately frequently throughout the films. The movies are full of shit like the start of Age of Ultron, where Tony just pops out in the middle of an enemy base during a siege. Exposing himself to potential enemy fire is a small price to pay for that sweet, sweet face time.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 31st 2021 at 2:09:11 AM

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#132939: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:09:26 PM

The in-helm shots were a pretty clever and (ironically) non-intrusive way of circumventing that rule, I must concede.

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#132940: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:13:40 PM

The Inhumans show also got rid of Black Bolt's face.

Which is amusing cause its not like Black Bolt is an expressive character to begin with.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#132941: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:14:21 PM

The movies are full of shit like the start of Age of Ultron, where Tony just pops out in the middle of an enemy base during a siege. Exposing himself to potential enemy fire is a small price to pay for that sweet, sweet face time.

I mean, this does seem very in character.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#132942: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:17:58 PM

Remember Venom in Spider-Man 3? Or rather, remember how Topher Grace's face was on him for like 90% of his already limited screentime?

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#132943: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:21:55 PM

Which is so sad as the CGI Venom was really good.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#132944: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:21:58 PM

Speaking of Spider-Man, Dafoe Green Goblin kept a decent costume balance I feel. tongue

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#132945: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:24:16 PM

Tbf it's only the helmet that people think is off.

The actual suit is nice.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#132946: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:25:29 PM

I think it's actually kinda relevant to any potential Doom, cause his mask's gonna be closer to that imo.

Edited by alekos23 on Aug 31st 2021 at 12:25:45 PM

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#132947: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:26:43 PM

At long as we get that green cape.

And not make him into a neon Sex Doll

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#132948: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:29:29 PM

I did sorta like 2005 Doom as a guilty pleasure. [lol]

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#132949: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:30:04 PM

Weridly, I felt that trope of "always showing the actor's face" was in full effect in the most recent What If…? (2021). As an animated series, that show is already dealing with more stylized designs of their actor's likeness.

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#132950: Aug 31st 2021 at 2:30:35 PM

[up]x6 Really, that's because Dafoe looks scarier and more Goblin-like without the mask.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 31st 2021 at 2:30:54 AM

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