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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132826: Aug 28th 2021 at 8:56:31 PM

[up][up]

Evil bastard that I am, I always loved that part. It proved that this was truly a Spiderman movie.

It had everything. Heroes, villains, and Aunt May in the hospital.

That last one is true devotion to detail.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132827: Aug 28th 2021 at 8:57:20 PM

[up][up] Wait he isn’t?

He always written a lot to have Bat-planning.

[up][up][up] You aren’t a true supervillain if you aren’t theatrical.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 28th 2021 at 8:57:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132828: Aug 28th 2021 at 9:04:27 PM

PRESENTATION

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#132829: Aug 28th 2021 at 9:05:25 PM

[up][up][up]I've always gotten a kick out of Linkara's joke that comics Aunt May is always "one oversalted Hot Pocket away from death". Mainly because it's so true.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 28th 2021 at 9:05:33 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132830: Aug 28th 2021 at 9:06:00 PM

[up][up][up] Not... really. Batman's general thing is having a lot of general and in-depth information about everything, and being able to use that info to make educated guesses and complex plans on the fly, mostly because his detectiv-ing is most commonly used simply to expedite the plot: if he already knows X about Y and can think up a way to take advantage of X immediately, the plot doesn't need to explain those things. But the whole "prep time" thing, especially, is more or less a myth.

He's not really a "make plans heavily in advance" kind of character, at least not usually. There are one or two major exceptions, but due to being fairly iconic they also tend to be exaggerated into being the rule when they're not really typical of the character on the whole.

Again, not dissimilar to how Strange is written: where Strange has a huge range of magical knowledge, but beating whatever the new threat is tends to be a function of figuring out a way to use that knowledge on the fly to not get killed.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 28th 2021 at 9:10:22 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132831: Aug 28th 2021 at 9:13:00 PM

Strange I think does end up doing more elaborate plans than Bats, but this is also a function of how his stories are set-up. Batman is often pitched as "Batman alone (and his allies) vs a overwhelming evil force" in a more direct manner. Strange often has the shtick that there's a lot of equivalent and opposite cosmic forces so when a evil force of the cosmos rises, Strange's plan quite often involves trying to convince, bargain, coerce or manipulate cosmic forces to actually do his job for him to some extent because he's outgunned by the evil at work here. So by default Strange ends up having to practice a lot of more elaborate rusing to deal with the many factions of the cosmos.

Batman doesn't do the "playing enemy factions against one another" too much. Not his style.

There's also the additional point that Strange's powers, by their very nature, are reliant on outside forces (i.e magic is often drawn from somewhere, usually deities). Jason Aaaron's recent Strange run was largely about the debt any kind of magic incurs and how Strange has to run a complex chain of schemes to make sure those debts don't blow up on his face.

Edited by Gaon on Aug 28th 2021 at 9:15:53 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#132832: Aug 28th 2021 at 9:36:16 PM

There was a Siver Age Dr. Strange storyline that I really loved that involved Eternity and the entire Earth being destroyed and put back the way it was because of Strange's machinations. One bit that really stuck with me was when the narration really hammered home that the Earth was destroyed. This includes YOU, THE READER. YOU DIED. The only reason you're alive right now is because this comic is explaining how Dr. Strange brought the Earth back, but you totally just died a minute or two ago while you were reading this comic, and you didn't even notice it.

That bit fucked me up as a kid. Like, obviously I didn't buy it, because the illustration for "you dying" was someone who looked nothing like me reading the comic in a setting that looked nowhere like where I was, but it still amazed me to realize that you could even DO THAT. Write a story that broke the 4th wall SO HARD that it KILLS AND RESURRECTS YOU, THE READER. That's INSANE. If you read this comic, YOU canonically DIED and WERE REVIVED in the MARVEL UNIVERSE.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 28th 2021 at 9:43:29 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132833: Aug 28th 2021 at 9:38:25 PM

I'm now imagining how they could do that to a movie watching audience...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132834: Aug 28th 2021 at 9:46:06 PM

Man that shit is surreal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#132835: Aug 28th 2021 at 10:14:57 PM

[up][up]Maybe have an epic battle where we see entire universes getting erased and resurrected within the blink of an eye, then one universe is destroyed and the movie goes completely black. The picture resumes with that universe getting resurrected and someone says something like "that's not fair to target that universe, they don't even HAVE superheroes".

Although, maybe the narrator route would just be cooler and more epic, though that would require the movie to have a narrator from the start.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 28th 2021 at 10:23:00 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132836: Aug 28th 2021 at 10:38:38 PM

That's kind of how I hope the Watcher is used in the future. He shows up to delineate the fourth wall or some such ("In one universe, all of us in this room are fictional characters...."). Maybe Strange loses and talks to The Watcher into rewinding the clock ("I have sworn only to observe. But there will soon be nothing left to observe beyond those on the other side of the screen...").

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#132837: Aug 28th 2021 at 10:49:11 PM

DC also kind of did this by having Earth-Prime (which was supposed to be "our" Earth) getting destroyed in Crisis on Infinite Earths, but it was more of a "yeah, uh huh, sure" there considering Earth-Prime had a Superboy with powers and everything. Its destruction was a plot point in a bunch of crossovers later on thanks to said Superboy surviving and turning evil/into a stand-in for whiny fanboys on the internet who just wanted everything to go back to when "everything was better on my Earth!"

According to Word of God, our universe was also destroyed in Secret Wars 2015 and reconstructed by the Richards family, we just don't remember it. Okay, obviously not our universe but a fictional stand-in for it, but still.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 28th 2021 at 10:52:52 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132838: Aug 29th 2021 at 4:47:53 AM

> Man that shit is surreal.

way too surreal if you ask me,I think there's a certain level of weirdness that's typically found in the comics that can't be replicated in a different medium like films or TV without confusing people

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#132839: Aug 29th 2021 at 9:44:55 PM

I mean, it's called Doctor Strange right in the title. Weirdness is kind of to be expected.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132840: Aug 30th 2021 at 4:23:30 AM

A fresh compilation of news, interviews and leaks for Doctor Strange: Multiverse Of Madness. Leaks mostly just reveal the actors and other crew who worked on it.

    Potential spoilers 
Confirmation from Disney or Kevin Feige

Tier 0 - Undisputed Sources

Tier 1 - High Quality Sources - N/A

Tier 2 - Average Reliability Sources

Tier 3 - Low Reliability Sources

Miceallanous: Interviews with Actors/Actresses/Crew, Toy Leaks, etc


PS The original poster used MCU leaks reddit's internal classification of sources by reliability, take it with a grain of salt. I omitted the least reliable parts of their post.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 30th 2021 at 2:34:39 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132841: Aug 30th 2021 at 4:33:37 AM

> I mean, it's called Doctor Strange right in the title. Weirdness is kind of to be expected.

Strange as in 'Dr.Strange fights the supernatural or paranormal' rather then meta humour

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#132842: Aug 30th 2021 at 4:36:38 AM

Early Doctor Strange comics were particularly surreal though, courtesy of Steve Ditko.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#132843: Aug 30th 2021 at 5:05:01 AM

I don't believe the vast majority of those leaks simply because I don't understand how you'd fit those into the film in a reasonable way.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132844: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:10:53 AM

A lot of those Tier 3 claims feel very sketchy at best.

Okey Dokey!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132845: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:14:07 AM

The rumors at this point are being made by the same people who readily believe them and want validation

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132846: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:19:29 AM

On an unrelated note, Scorsese's words have entered my head again and now I'm thinking......

What about if we get a supervillain gangster movie? tongue

Ya know starring guys like Kingpin, Bullseye, Hammerhead, and all sorts of professional crime gangstas.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#132847: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:28:41 AM

One of my favorite parts of Daredevil and Luke Cage were seeing how mundane, semi-realistic crime organizations operate in a world of superheroes, with stuff like Cottonmouth's mounting frustration at Luke Cage repeatedly walking through his operation and wrecking things.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Aug 30th 2021 at 9:28:58 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#132848: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:39:45 AM

I'm trying to avoid too much rumors and leaks about the future films, but I'd find it hilarious of Multiverse of Madness managed to feature a cameo by Jeffrey Combs as Doctor Mordrid, considering that started off as a Doctor Strange movie.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132849: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:42:29 AM

I'd like to see a business talk in a casual setting with Bullseye.

Like a bunch of crime-lords come to Bullseye with a job while he's doing something perfectly mundane like playing baseball or golf, effortlessly netting continuous home runs and hole in ones. Then the scene ends pretty dark as he then casually kills someone with an impossible shot.

Its a fun thought.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#132850: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:48:12 AM

Nah, Bullseye prefers to spend his off-time reading. Though he is still fully capable and willing of killing people with the paperclips he uses to mark his pages.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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