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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132726: Aug 26th 2021 at 7:36:27 PM

Or a Scarlet Witch movie, for that matter.

Honestly, the way I see it, I think it's more likely there will be some sort of Scarlet Witch Disney Plus show after Multiverse of Madness.

Okey Dokey!
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132727: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:09:44 PM

There's a rumor going around that MoM will feature Wanda vs. the Illuminati, led by Xavier. Don't know how reliable it is.
Yeah, it is like someone broke a dam, this rumor is suddenly everywhere. And the one in which she is either The Big Bad or The Heavy of the film.

We have to remember that Waldron & Co covered up Loki's story very well — as it turns out, there was not a single reliable rumor before the series release, and they purposefully edited the trailers so that viewers would think another thing is happening. He wrote this one too. Could be another cover-up.

On the other hand, the filming has ended (bar possible reshoots) and there is no big name to play the villain. An unknown actor, Adam Hugill plays Rintrah who was previously rumored to be The Heavy. And a similarly unknown actor is rumored to have voiced Shuma-Gorath. So it is logical to assume someone we know well is the antagonist.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 27th 2021 at 12:58:13 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132728: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:20:02 PM

Wasn't Nightmare announced to be the antag of Mo M?

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 26th 2021 at 8:20:14 AM

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#132729: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:21:49 PM

That was back when Derrickson was still involved, now the rumored villain is Shuma-Gorath.

Also, only really posted the Wanda thing 'cause I figured someone else would eventually, kinda thought more people would be hyped about the possible WbN thing.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Aug 26th 2021 at 8:22:05 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132730: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:25:42 PM

To date, Nightmare being the plan is still the only information we've ever gotten about the villain, yeah.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132731: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:26:38 PM

I looked it up and did notice one line about the villain being apparently "closer to home" whatever that means.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132732: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:28:17 PM

A human/Earth villain, maybe? We still have no idea what's going on with Mordo.

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132733: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:37:38 PM

That Nightmare rumor was very long ago. Then there was an abundance of leaks stating that the new villain Waldron & Raimi brought together is Shuma-Gorath with Rintrah as The Heavy. I updated my post above, check it.

Now they say Shuma-Gorath is indeed the Greater-Scope Villain, but The Heavy is Wanda herself.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 27th 2021 at 12:58:41 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#132734: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:40:16 PM

The most recent synopsis I could find mentions a friend turned enemy of Strange's, who I assume to be Mordo.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132735: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:40:41 PM

[up][up] It wasn't a rumor, it was Word of God.

The Shuma Gorath stuff, on the other hand, does appear to be the result of rumormongering.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 26th 2021 at 8:41:35 AM

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132736: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:41:32 PM

Check all the last threads on this reddit <- more reliable

And this (possible spoilers) <- not reliable

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 26th 2021 at 6:51:32 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132737: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:41:47 PM

The source is Reddit?

So... rumormongering like I said, then?

Reading it over, that whole thing is very clearly fake, even if that wasn't already immediately obvious given that it's just sourced by some dude on reddit.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 26th 2021 at 8:44:02 AM

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132738: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:44:29 PM

The source is individual leakers, mostly on twitter, I'm too lazy to link twitter posts when guys on reddit gathered them in one place smile

Yep, totally, these are all rumors. But when everybody starts writing the same stuff at once, there might be some credence to it. There might be not.

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132739: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:45:16 PM

I mean, not when all the people writing it are fans who have the same hazy sources (which are, themselves, other fans). Fan theories take off like wildfire, and are easy to gain traction because all they do is tell fans things they want to hear, regardless of whether those things make sense. You can always tell whether a theory like that has merit not just from how much its getting posted, but who is posted it in bulk. Not even WeGotThisCovered is touching this yet (though, admittedly, then we would know its a lie).

Heck, before being the expert in Dr. Strange's plot the guy who posted the first reddit post you sourced was seems to have mostly just posted memes on Star Wars forums.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 26th 2021 at 8:48:11 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132740: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:47:49 PM

People just like Shuma Gorath because he was in some video games, but his involvement feels way less convoluted than these recent rumors.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 26th 2021 at 11:48:02 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132741: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:49:08 PM

I mean, I really, really love Shuma Gorath and have long suspected that he might be the antagonist of the final Dr. Strange movie (before Kang was revealed to be the new MCU Big Bad, I was thinking it could be Shuma as well), but him being in this movie given what we know of it thus far doesn't make a lot of sense (yet). Let alone "Shuma AND Wanda AND the Illuminati AND Evil Professor X etc."

Looking over the linked theory, it looks like what happened is someone watched a couple episodes of What If (despite that show being explicitly non-canon) and threw all the stuff they saw in that series together with the "they're going to cosmic retcon in the Fox X-Men movies!" (despite Disney top brass being pretty clear about wanting to do their own take on the property) fan-theories, and passed that off as a leak.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 26th 2021 at 8:52:52 AM

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#132742: Aug 26th 2021 at 8:53:27 PM

With the post-credits stinger for the first Doctor Strange, Mordo seems like the obvious choice for main villain of MoM, or at least a secondary villain. And that whatever goes on in No Way Home might also be playing into MoM.

Edited by dmcreif on Aug 26th 2021 at 11:56:01 AM

Okey Dokey!
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132743: Aug 26th 2021 at 11:11:15 PM

The problem with Mordo is that he is strongly against using magic as of the end of the first Doctor Strange film. Why would he team up with an interdimensional entity (let us assume that it is still Nightmare for simplicity sake, its name is really unimportant) that wants to consume our world? He'd likely be against it.

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#132744: Aug 26th 2021 at 11:13:28 PM

At this point there has been so much magical shenanigans in the world, that I believe Mordo probably got like five wizards in then got bored and retired. tongue

Took one look at the final battle against Thanos with the entire sorcerer order assembled then rolled over back into bed.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 26th 2021 at 11:13:38 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132745: Aug 26th 2021 at 11:14:43 PM

Damn its been 5 years soon to be 6 since Doctor Strange, thats a long awaited sequel alright.

So any thoughts looking back on it?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#132746: Aug 26th 2021 at 11:18:51 PM

[up] Personally I felt it was one of the better Marvel movies, the effects were at some of the best they’ve ever been, Strange’s character arc was pretty nice, but the bad guys just felt generic and they just showed up out of nowhere midway through the film.

SKREEEEEEEONK!
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#132747: Aug 27th 2021 at 12:23:10 AM

The human antagonists were boring and generic. Once they were shed in favor of the greater cosmic threat, the movie picked right back up. "Dormammu, I've come to bargain," seems to have easily become one of the favorite scenes of the franchise.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#132748: Aug 27th 2021 at 12:39:25 AM

It had its moments and decent spectacle, and the Dormammu scene is obviously a blast, but overall the film is just a big ol' pile of meh that I could've done without.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132749: Aug 27th 2021 at 12:40:30 AM

Yeah way too much orange martial arts and not enough wizard stuff.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#132750: Aug 27th 2021 at 12:44:54 AM

[up][up] Dormammu is pretty much the only thing people remember from the Doctor Strange movie. And one that was deliberately written as a contrast to how supervillains tend to be defeated.


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