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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132701: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:43:08 PM

Spider-Man has probably had the most respectable run between Green Goblin (and Goblin Jr), Doctor Octopus, Sandman, Venom, Lizard, Electro, Vulture, Shocker and Mysterio. That's a very solid tally of foes showcased.

The biggest one not shown at all so far is either Kraven the Hunter or Mr. Negative (and Negative is fairly recent).

PS: I forgot Rhino, though his appearance is so brief in ASM 2 to the point I'm not even sure it counts.

Edited by Gaon on Aug 26th 2021 at 3:44:14 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#132702: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:45:12 PM

One day, it’ll be the turn for Paste Pot Pete. [lol]

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Disasturbator
#132703: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:48:44 PM

we need a Lego Spider man movie so all his joke villains get to shine!

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#132704: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:50:20 PM

[up]x3 I'm pretty sure they were planning on a Kraven's Last Hunt film back in the Amazing days; at least I remember that from the email leaks.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132705: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:50:55 PM

You mean the Trapster.

I also forgot The Tinkerer in Homecoming so that's another one for the tally. God, that's a lot.

Running the numbers in my head it's indeed Carnage, Kraven the Hunter, Mr. Negative and Jackal as far as villains with some pedigree (Jackal being more infamous than famous but hey, it is what it is) not showcased yet. Carnage is more Venom's direct foe than Spidey anyhow (as noted by the fact he's making his film debut in a venom sequel).

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#132706: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:53:42 PM

Uh Negative is new.

It wasn't till the spiderman game and the animated shows before his influence took off to the point he's a bonafide main rogues gallery member.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#132707: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:55:07 PM

[up]x2 fwiw I would also count Tombstone in that list, but he probably couldn't be a central antagonist.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#132708: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:57:37 PM

[up] laughs in Spectacular Spider-Man

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 26th 2021 at 12:57:51 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132709: Aug 26th 2021 at 3:58:15 PM

I pointed two posts ago he's incredibly new. He's still the most famous of the spidey villains since Venom, nonetheless. He's the proverbial Professor Pyg of his rogues gallery (they even both debuted the exact same year of 2007, Negative in May and Pyg in July).

It's more an indicator of how the films have actually been pretty impressively varied with his foes. Not all of them were done in a goood way, but at least most of them got a day in the sun.

PS: Tombstone is a good reminder, though I don't particularly like him as Kingpin-lite.

Edited by Gaon on Aug 26th 2021 at 3:59:01 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132710: Aug 26th 2021 at 4:02:11 PM

It should be noted that there are reports that Spot may be the villain of Spider-Verse 2. Like it’s not confirmed yet but it’s fun to think about.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#132711: Aug 26th 2021 at 4:31:09 PM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132712: Aug 26th 2021 at 4:55:40 PM

[up] I saw that rumor about Wanda. It felt fake.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132713: Aug 26th 2021 at 5:09:21 PM

[up]I’m equally inclined to believe it’s fake.

Ask Evan Peters.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#132714: Aug 26th 2021 at 5:19:06 PM

RE: DS2 Rumors: I mean, we have been hearing word about Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart being asked to be Logan and Xavier in a one last last gig, but both said "nah fam."

If (and it's a massive "if") Wanda does square off with someone from Fox's X-Men universe, it'd probably be someone from the First Class saga (First Class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix). Actually, should The New Mutants and the Deadpool movies count? Because the only folks I can think of that can square off against Wanda is James McAvoy!Xavier or Magik. (Deadpool probably wouldn't last five seconds.) Actually, bringing back Anya Taylor-Joy as Magik would be a massive win since almost everyone says she was hands down the best part about The New Mutants, especially when you factor in how tepid that movie turned out.

By the way, rumor or not, Sam Raimi directing a Doctor Strange movie featuring some X-Men sounds like a massive wet dream that none of us could have seen coming.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132715: Aug 26th 2021 at 5:42:24 PM

[up]No New Mutants. The joke doesn’t work if anything is used from it. It must be forgotten as the last desperate gasp of the Fox Men.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132716: Aug 26th 2021 at 5:48:46 PM

I think the Dr. Strange 2 will be about Wanda facing off against the Illuminati, composed of Fox X-Men characters crowd is perhaps losign sight of the fact that its a Dr. Strange movie, not an X-Men mmovie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 26th 2021 at 5:49:03 AM

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#132717: Aug 26th 2021 at 5:57:15 PM

Or a Scarlet Witch movie, for that matter.

Ever since Wanda Vision, pretty much every theory and rumor about Dr. Strange 2 seems to cast the film as Wanda 2: the Wanda-ing (with maybe a Dr. Strange cameo here or there). We know that Wanda's going to be in the film, but I think that a lot of people are expecting the film to be 100% about Wanda and are setting themselves up for disappointment.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132719: Aug 26th 2021 at 6:11:25 PM

I’m reminded of one rumor about Winter Falcon was Omega Red showing up in Madripoor.

Oooof speculations are wild.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132720: Aug 26th 2021 at 6:11:31 PM

I just want a movie where Strange fights Shuma-Gorrarh. Is that so much to ask?

Maybe have Chavez go through portals to avoid his infinite tentacles (especially now that she has an origin that works).

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 26th 2021 at 9:12:19 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132722: Aug 26th 2021 at 6:12:46 PM

[up]That New Mutants might as well have never existed.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132723: Aug 26th 2021 at 6:20:22 PM

Don’t worry Joe, I agree that Anya was otherwise bang-on casting and it’s a shame it had to be in that movie.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132725: Aug 26th 2021 at 6:24:24 PM

Man I was so looking forward to New Mutants.

Would have been the only time I would have watched a horror movie.

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