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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Dr. Octopus' arms are a really fascinating and incredible piece of filmmaking with the mix of physical props and CGI infused with body language they were given. It's in fact quite a pity the new ones will be just CGI.
There's a great BTS on it:
I really like how they were given a more serpentine quality, complete with the slithering, sudden strikes and vaguely hissing mechanical noises they make.
The cameras/eyes on the end of each arm are also a great touch that give Octopus basically a Evil Counterpart to the spidey sense (as the cameras make very hard to catch him off-guard in the film, as in several sequences he catches things outside his field of vision with the aid of the arm-sights).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Yeah, the arms had a very Uncanny Valley feeling to themselves, in a positive manner. Like straight out of a horror flick.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianExplaining how these characters are alive is going to be tricky. Honestly, if it was just Ock returning for No Way Home, it wouldn't be a problem. He was last seen collapsing his sun reactor thing and sinking into the ocean with it. You could totally make that a Never Found the Body thing, and the reactor is exactly the sort of thing comics would use to go "And then he was blasted into another dimension."
But that excuse doesn't work for the Green Goblin, Sandman, Lizard, etc. Strange's spell provides reasonable justification for how they're here, but it will be interesting to see if the film has an answer for how they're alive.
No idea if Maguire or Garfield are going to be there, but I think we are expected to suspend disbelief that Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire are in-universe identical given that Ock seems to recognize Peter on sight.
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I wager these characters will all just be Back from the Dead temporarily due to multiversal shenanigans.
As long as we're on the subject of multiverses, I wasn't sure whether to bring this up in the WandaVision thread or here, but I see this
from Grace Randolph and I'm like, well, "I gotta take this skeptically. I like the idea of antagonist Wanda in Multiverse of Madness, not villain Wanda."
By the way, I'm going to die laughing if the whole Sinister Six thing just turns out to be Mysterio at it again. We have Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Doc Ock, and Green Goblin. There's a clear sixth member missing here, which will presumably be one of the MCU baddies. So, Vulture or Mysterio. But Mysterio brings some, uh, implications....
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The practical Ock arms were very cool, but I recall part of why they’re all CG now is because the puppet arms were very heavy and Molina is older than he was then.
I should know, I once dressed up as Doc Ock for Halloween in middle school with arms made of aluminum pipes and man were they surprisingly heavy. Couldn’t sit down at all either.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 26th 2021 at 1:25:59 AM
Yeah, one thing that always distracted me about Spider-Man 2 is that the arms looked WAY too heavy. I never bought that Octavius's unfit scientist legs were able to support all four giant metal arms, the only context in which they were believable was when the arms were supporting themselves or one arm was being used as a third leg.
Regarding the action scenes, I think the fight scenes in the Raimi trilogy are fairly incredible. They have a somewhat clear Matrix-esque weight/weightlesness to them at times. The fight choreographers of both films were, unsurprisingly (in what must be a Running Gag by now of every time I talk about western action cinema) involved in the stunt work of the Matrix films.
The credited fight choreographers of both films are Clint Cadinha and Dion Lam. The former is american stunt performer who worked in films like Showdown in Little Tokyo, Point Break, The Crow, Minority Report (and the first Matrix), while Dion Lam is a born and raised Hong Kong tradition disciple (being a natural Hong konger if the name didn't tip you off) who made his career working in HK films (namely alongside Stephen Chow) like Return to a Better Tomorrow, Royal Tramp, Saint of Gamblers, Black Mask and both Matrix films (he has also done action for the recently released Dynasty Warriors film oddly enough). I do think all films must have had a heavy dose of Sam Raimi's own presence too, considering his many emblematic directorial quirks are present in there (like the ultra-sharp snap-zoom close-ups).
The train fight scene in Spider-Man 2 in particular I find maybe the best action scene in spider-man trilogy and it's up there as top 5 best action scenes in superhero film history (if not n. 1). Aside from Octopus vs Spidey itself being great, the fact its climax is Spidey stopping a train full of civilians even though it completely exhausts him is a wonderful note emblematic of his character (and the train passengers seeing him maskless and carrying him in a Messiah-like manner is a touching, if ham-fisted, moment).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."If this Ock is literally the Raimi version it does raise questions. He seems to be villainous but also knows that (a) Peter Parker is Spiderman... But in the film he only found that out just before he turned face and performed his Heroic Sacrifice.
It is theoretically possible that he was yanked out of the Raimiverse in between Peter revealing himself and rejecting the arms but that's an absurdly small window.
I'm presuming (if he is Raimi!Ock) that he's taken from his villainous period and finds out Spider-Man's ID some other way - possibly courtesy of the Goblin.
Edited by jakobitis on Aug 26th 2021 at 10:25:37 AM
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

You want to talk brutal? How about the hospital scene from Spider-Man 2 where Raimi really showed off his background in making horror movies?