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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132576: Aug 25th 2021 at 1:28:51 PM

By this point I'm semi-sure Shuri is taking up the mantle.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132577: Aug 25th 2021 at 1:30:18 PM

I am somewhat dreading that if she becomes a more typical quip hero.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#132578: Aug 25th 2021 at 1:30:58 PM

At this point, they would have already announced any new lead or stuff like that, anyway.

Wake me up at your own risk.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#132579: Aug 25th 2021 at 1:53:12 PM

From rumors I've heard this is set in the snap five years. To get around why T'Challa isn't their for now. Well they prepare his successor,,,,

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#132580: Aug 25th 2021 at 1:54:24 PM

Wasn't Shuri snapped as well, though?

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#132582: Aug 25th 2021 at 2:51:12 PM

Tony and Bruce: (still seething over Shuri criticizing their Vision design) “It’s so sad that Shuri was Snapped and can’t help with our time machine.”

Shuri: “I’m still here!”

Tony and Bruce: “We will avenge the fallen.”

[down] Uhhh Bruce told him later and Tony still felt insulted.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 25th 2021 at 2:57:23 AM

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#132583: Aug 25th 2021 at 2:55:39 PM

Tony wasn't even there when she said it. grin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132584: Aug 25th 2021 at 4:15:02 PM

Man its crazy looking back at phase 1 clips. They feel like they came out so long ago.

Thor was a Goddamn monster.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132585: Aug 25th 2021 at 4:36:25 PM

Now thanks to Carol, he's the second place monster.

I admit, I had doubts if she was really stronger than him. She definitely had some impressive feats, what with wiping out that Kree space fleet, and the way she handled Thanos.

But I always wondered about it. Thor single handedly turned around the battle of Wakanda, and when we next see him in Endgame, he's massively out of shape, so I questioned if he hadn't lost a step, even with both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker combined.

But I also recall seeing an interview in either this thread or the Endgame thread where it's said that Thor is stronger than he's ever been as well.

Whatever the case, whether he was in top form or not is irrelevant: Carol is powered by an Infinity Stone, and those are straight up the strongest things in existence. The fact that the ones who gave Thanos the hardest time were Carol and Wanda (who's power was awakened by an infinity stone) lends credence to that.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132586: Aug 25th 2021 at 4:42:33 PM

Wow Thor really was turning into Hela. Damn you can feel the pain in Odin's voice with this retractive knowledge.

"You're unworthy of these realms, you're unworthy of your title.....YOU'RE UNWORTHY!!!"

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 25th 2021 at 4:43:17 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#132587: Aug 25th 2021 at 4:55:03 PM

[up][up]But stormbreaker could stand up to the collective might of all the infinity stones at once. Of course I could give counter evidence to that if I so wanted and counter evidence to that etc., so I'm reminded of what Stan Lee said: "the person who'd win a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win."

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#132588: Aug 25th 2021 at 5:02:16 PM

So weird looking back at the first Thor movie and seeing Hemsworth with those blonde eyebrows. Pretty sure he only dyed them for that movie? Cuz they're not that shade in the other movies.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#132589: Aug 25th 2021 at 5:16:59 PM

Man its crazy looking back at phase 1 clips. They feel like they came out so long ago.

Well, Thor did come out 10 years ago.

... Thor came out ten years ago... Oh god...

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132590: Aug 25th 2021 at 5:42:46 PM

Honest question: were there ideas for Hela and Ragnarok already in place when they first wrote Thor or did those come later?

Okey Dokey!
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#132591: Aug 25th 2021 at 5:56:29 PM

Oh no, I highly doubt they were planning that far in advanced. I don't even think they had an idea of what to do with Thor after the first Avengers movie. I recall hearing that Loki wasn't planned to have that large a role in the first drafts of The Dark World, but was added because of how popular he was. It's just that the Hela retcon is something that slips in rather snugly with the themes of the first two films.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 25th 2021 at 8:58:44 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132592: Aug 25th 2021 at 6:04:45 PM

And those are really the best kind of retcons.

Rather than detracting from things, they add to them.

One Strip! One Strip!
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#132593: Aug 25th 2021 at 6:29:09 PM

Big rumor on Wanda fighting someone in the Fox Verse in DS 2.

Just Makima.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132594: Aug 25th 2021 at 6:38:22 PM

[up]Oh no, I fell for that during WandaVision. Ain’t falling for that again.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132596: Aug 25th 2021 at 6:51:32 PM

Oh yeah Odin had the multi-legged horse.

Wonder what happened to that thing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#132598: Aug 25th 2021 at 7:05:47 PM

@Diana 1969 That's the only thing the boss himself regrets for.

@dmcreif Whenever you have doubt of how well planned the MCU actually is, just remember this clip:

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#132599: Aug 25th 2021 at 7:14:56 PM

I wonder if it would be possible to put the Scourge in the MCU. I mean, the idea of a vigilante randomly killing villains CAN be done, but the whole point was that most of the ones he was killing were d-listers like Blue Streak and Mirage. With the MCU (and live-action adaptations in general), there's no room for minor villains (or if there are, they're usually killed off or put in jail), so a lot of the whole meta-element of the storyline is gone, and you likely just have Scourge killing muggers and bank robbers, basically making him The Punisher.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#132600: Aug 25th 2021 at 7:19:07 PM

Concerning Black Panther 2...

If Shuri does become the new Black Panther, I really hope another actress portrays her. I really soured on Letitia Wright after finding out she was an anti-vaxxer.

Edited by M84 on Aug 25th 2021 at 10:19:14 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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