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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#132551: Aug 24th 2021 at 6:06:41 PM

He's from Poland by the way.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 24th 2021 at 6:06:52 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132552: Aug 24th 2021 at 6:09:29 PM

For a F4 Movie, I want to see Red Ghost (if it's an origin movie) or Mole Man (if not) as the first villain. Save Doom for a sequel.

For Doom actor choices, Waldeu is a great actor but I don't see any in his previous roles as particularly fitting of Doom's more Large Ham qualities. Ideally and more superficially, Doom would have some kind of classically trained stage actor who can deliver Doom in a Shakespearean, grandiose manner. Guys with the same pedigree as Kenneth Branagh and the main trio in Thor (Hopkins, Hiddleston and Hemsworth). In fact Kenneth Branagh himself wouldn't be a bad choice were it not for his advancing age (he's 60).

If I had to throw out a random, hypothetical cast for those villains I'd have something like Peter Stormare as Red Ghost, Timothy Spall as Mole Man and Ralph Ineson as Doctor Doom. Ineson has a notoriously absurdly deep voice, fantastic acting chops and a profound background in stage that I feel would carry him.

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#132553: Aug 24th 2021 at 6:11:12 PM

The second film will have Doom finally appear and the third is going to have Galactus and Silver Surfer given their overall prominence to the FF mythos. A fourth one could have Annihilus, who might appear in a film adaptation of Annihilation.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 24th 2021 at 6:12:58 AM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#132554: Aug 24th 2021 at 6:20:27 PM

Mikkelsen would have been a good Doom if they didn't already waste him on Kaecillius.

Hey, Gemma Chan and Mahershala Ali got second chances, anything's possible.

He's from Poland by the way

Sssshhh... let's keep a little mystery, shall we?

In all honesty, I think I actually would have been perfectly content if stuff like that about Tommy had forever remained an enigma.

Edited by lbssb on Aug 24th 2021 at 6:24:46 AM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#132555: Aug 24th 2021 at 6:23:20 PM

Mikkelsen would have been a good Doom if they didn't already waste him on Kaecillius.

Gemma Chan says hi.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132557: Aug 24th 2021 at 8:59:08 PM

I'd actually expect them to composite the Champions and the Young Avengers. Kamala was part of the former team before she founded the champions with Miles and Sam Alexander aka, Nova II.

And since there's no Tony for Carol to punch a hole in to start Civil War II, we might not see her leaving this version of the team.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132558: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:08:27 PM

Yeah when you think about it, it makes perfect sense to composite Marvel’s 2 biggest teen teams into one comprised of each groups most popular members.

Though I presume they’ll go with Champions for the title since it’s more distinctive than adding Young in front of Avengers.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 24th 2021 at 9:08:52 AM

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#132559: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:09:05 PM

Also, the Thunderbolts in the MCU might be mashed with the Dark Avengers in terms of leadership and members. Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine will be the Nick Fury of the group while Zemo will be its leader and might become Citizen V or some other superhero alias since U.S. Agent would fill the spot of rogue Captain Patriotic. For the rest of the team, Yelena Belova is Black Widow, Agatha Harkness is Scarlet Witch, the Abomination is Hulk, Karla Sofen is Captain Marvel and some Thunderbolts mainstays such as Songbird will appear as well.

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#132560: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:20:38 PM

What separates the Young Avengers from the Champions in the comics is that the Champions are teenagers while the YA are young adults (though they started as teenagers in their debut.) But since it appears the MCU is changing around the ages of some of the characters (notably America Chavez and Wanda’s twins) that comic distinction is likely to be absent.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 24th 2021 at 9:21:01 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132561: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:25:01 PM

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I wondered about calling the Champions (2016) and Young Avengers the most recognizable Superhero team, but then I realized that the Young Avengers have Brand Recognition due to the Avengers brand, while the Champions....have Kamala and Miles. They also have some of their own brand recognition.

I guess the New Mutants and the New Warriors are shit out of luck.

Edit: And hey. The 1975 Champions finally has their own page! Good for them. I don't care what Kate Bishop says. They make as much sense as most hero teams.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 24th 2021 at 9:26:22 AM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#132562: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:29:28 PM

Riri is also a Champion, for what it's worth. Maybe we could also get Viv at one point, depending on what they want to do with the new Vision.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132563: Aug 24th 2021 at 10:43:15 PM

I’d say the distinction between the 2 groups is that YA started out as a group starring new characters that went onto become popular while Champions is taking already existing popular characters and making a team out of them.

To further the inverse there hasn’t been a YA title for years now but several of its characters have since graduated into individual stardom transitioning into other teams and titles such as Kate, Cassie, Teddy, Billy, and Chavez.

While Champions is still ongoing and is primarily just to have the big teen characters an outlet to interact with each other like Teen Titans and with the case of characters like Sam Alexander giving them something to do after a demotion in prominence.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 24th 2021 at 10:45:42 AM

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PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#132564: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:30:57 PM

Honestly half the reason I’m hoping we get an MCU Young Avengers is so we get a new ongoing. I’ve loved seeing them do their own things, but I miss them as a team.

Plus the team composition has kind of become hilarious now, with the three mainstays being an archer PI, and THE KINGS OF SPACE.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132565: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:44:07 PM

If they want to be real young Avengers they’ll need some wacky roster changes

People need to quit for various reasons and then whoever is nearby needs to join because they were adjacent

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#132566: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:46:00 PM

@Pizza Dog 11 One Moment In Time is still linked to One More Day, as it takes place in the divergent timeline caused by the deal, it's something the comics are currently dealing with in the Kindred saga, with Stephen confronting Mephisto about it

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132567: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:49:57 PM

I totally expect Young Avengers to be a three way mashup of Young Avengers, Champions and Avengers Academy.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#132568: Aug 25th 2021 at 12:19:16 AM

I cannot see any Avengers Academy character making it to the MCU aside from maybe Reptil, but Avengers Academy as it's own thing would make for great move stuff if it ever came to that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132569: Aug 25th 2021 at 12:25:34 AM

Maybe one day Mettle will be resurrected and we can finally forget Avengers Arena entirely.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#132570: Aug 25th 2021 at 12:39:45 AM

Avengers Arena? What's that? I CAN'T HEAR YOU NOT LISTENING LALALA

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132571: Aug 25th 2021 at 7:22:01 AM

I forgot about Avengers Academy. It wouldn't be such a bad idea to mix them in.

Since I've been on a bit of a New Warriors kick for some time now, maybe add them in as well. They kinda need some positive press. Like, Civil War I devastated them in universe and out, and then the debacle with Outlawed, combined with COVID cancelled their 2020 run before it could even start.

I don't know why I'm invested in them, but I want to see them bounce back somehow.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132572: Aug 25th 2021 at 7:30:47 AM

Just like Speedball

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132575: Aug 25th 2021 at 1:26:53 PM

They're filming black panther 2 but we still don't know who is playing Black Panther,I hope they don't go the 'he's dead but his spirits lives on us' so have a replacement hero with a different name withouting passing the mantle of Black Panther on

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