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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#132476: Aug 24th 2021 at 8:56:49 AM

[up]*3: And that's just the reason why I hope that Spider-man's public identity will be permanent in this continuity.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Aug 24th 2021 at 8:57:28 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#132477: Aug 24th 2021 at 8:58:52 AM

TBF, it's a little weird that everyone in the world would go nuts over learning Spider-Man's identity when outed superheroes are a pretty standard thing in the MCU. Everybody knows who Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, etc., are (or were), and they are far more famous in-universe than Spidey.

But no, they relentlessly hound this poor teenager to the point where he wishes to a Literal Genie for it to all go away. Fuck the world, man.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 24th 2021 at 11:59:37 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132478: Aug 24th 2021 at 8:58:53 AM

Not too similar to Tony Stark,everyone knew he was ironman,but of course that just made him a huge target

[up]They can handle since they're adults,but he's still a kid and thet pressure of being superhero and living his life is going to be hard

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 24th 2021 at 4:00:23 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132479: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:00:38 AM

That is true.

It gave a face to their blame. Like, Vanko immediately became determined to fuck Tony over once he revealed himself as Iron Man.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#132480: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:01:02 AM

@ Weird Guy 149 But didn't HYRDA operate a branch in the USSR to make sure they danced to their tune as they did with the US? I mean, how else did HYDRA turn Bucky into their hatchet man with a metal arm, and not only that, there's the facility that kept people they injected Super Soldier Serum with in Siberia.

Meant for Weird Guy 149 but I was [nja]'d if anyone's wondering.

Edited by HallowHawk on Aug 25th 2021 at 12:01:57 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#132481: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:04:55 AM

Also the framed for murder thing

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Lost in Space
#132482: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:09:03 AM

I know that being unlucky is Spider-Man's unique thing throughout all his continuities, but as a casual comic fan it does frustrate me how each new attempt at a film series has to pile on the angst and find new ways to make Peter Parker miserable. Even when he wins a victory and everybody likes him for a while, the cosmos itself has to conspire to mess it up.

The poor guy needs to catch a break every now and then: be allowed a permanent victory.

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Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#132483: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:14:19 AM

[up]Isn't it a common trope that Peter Parker always ends up facing more Ls than Ws throughout his life as spiderman?

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#132484: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:14:44 AM

TBF, it's a little weird that everyone in the world would go nuts over learning Spider-Man's identity when outed superheroes are a pretty standard thing in the MCU.

It’s not just the revealed identity, but the allegations that he murdered Mysterio and civilians in London.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#132485: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:25:58 AM

There is also the fact that even if he is found innocent with irrefutable evidence, there will still be many people who will still see him as a villain.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#132486: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:28:35 AM

That too. Like, with how easy it is to alter footage (as shown by Mysterio's gambit), even if they found the original footage and proved Peter's innocence, it'd be easy for someone to claim that footage was the altered one.

That's kinda the bitch of this situation: Mysterio got his story out first, and is essentially controlling the narrative....despite being dead.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#132487: Aug 24th 2021 at 9:29:01 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Spider-Man is the only active superhero with a secret identity at this point; all of the ex-Avengers are out and we still don't know about Shang-Chi or the Eternals.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#132488: Aug 24th 2021 at 10:33:07 AM

While I'm looking forward to Spider-Man: No Way Home, from what we see in the teaser trailer, the events of the film are predicated on Dr.Strange doing something he really ought to know better than to do.

Re: Spider-Man and angst: Spider-Man (at least Peter Parker as Spider-Man) has always been about Peter Parker navigating all the garbage his life throws at him. You can thank Steve Ditko for the tradition of having Spidey win moral victories that do him no personal good (may even do him personal harm), and having the universe slap him down when he does something for purely selfish reasons. One writer in the '90's only half jokingly said that Spider-Man's greatest antagonist was the Marvel Universe itself.

Comics readers have traditionally been more patient with Spidey's never catching a break than has the non-comics reading public, possibly because comics readers (who frequently have been labelled geeks, nerds, and other unkind things) are used to not catching breaks themselves, and realize that such does not make one a loser.

Edited by Robbery on Aug 24th 2021 at 10:41:22 AM

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#132489: Aug 24th 2021 at 10:39:58 AM

Is that even a teaser? Teasers usually just show a tiny bit of the movie with not much plot focus. Unless there's WAY more plot than was hinted at there, that seemed more like a full-fledged trailer.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132490: Aug 24th 2021 at 10:51:04 AM

People are going to hate Strange after this I think

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#132491: Aug 24th 2021 at 10:52:10 AM

So back to the pre-Infinity Wars days then?

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Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132493: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:25:28 AM

> People are going to hate Strange after this I think

Nah. Some people are going to be very disappointed in him, true. But there is too much shared responsibility now. First Sylvie and Loki, then Strange and Peter, then Wanda (who is expected to add insult to injury by tampering with the Darkhold in Multiverse of Madness). You can't hate all of them. If anything, it is becoming funny.

A fresh meme.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 24th 2021 at 9:27:05 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#132494: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:28:41 AM

Forty thousand years of evolution and we've barely even tapped the vastness of Raimi memes...

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Funny but not helpful
#132495: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:31:41 AM

Why get mad at Strange? Bringing back old Spiders Men and old villains is what everybody wanted

You fickle jerks should thank that hocus pocus man and anxiety spider

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132496: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:34:09 AM

hes a stupid wizard who should go back to wizard school

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132497: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:34:54 AM

I blame Tony Stank.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#132498: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:36:37 AM

We need that Toby Maguire "pooping face" meme from Spider-Man 2.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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Deadly Vu!
#132499: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:36:56 AM

No, no you guys, it's all Star Lord's fault!

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Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132500: Aug 24th 2021 at 11:40:07 AM

Highlights of Phase 4:

  • Multiverse
  • Awesome music
  • Everyone screws up
  • Everyone needs therapy

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.

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