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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132351: Aug 23rd 2021 at 5:04:07 PM

When should the actual trailer be out, I thought it was today?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#132352: Aug 23rd 2021 at 5:05:21 PM

[up] I heard it would be later tonight. Like at 10pm est, I think.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 23rd 2021 at 8:05:39 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#132353: Aug 23rd 2021 at 5:11:19 PM

Release with the unfinished effects. Kind of like when Universal released the trailer to The Mummy (2017) without the music and sound effects.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#132354: Aug 23rd 2021 at 5:12:41 PM

Link to the picture of Garfield and Maguire?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132355: Aug 23rd 2021 at 5:52:47 PM

I never said he wanted reform. I'm saying the opposite. Killmonger, thematically, represents black radicalism a la Malcolm X, Robert F. Williams, and the Black Panther Party.

Just chiming to say that the comparison to Killmonger to Malcolm X or The Black Panther Party is extremely off base, nor is he anywhere near representative of their form of radicalism. I'm not as familiar with Williams, but a brief bit of research shows he's not particularly comparable to Killmonger either.

This has been your daily report from the "Please Stop Comparing Malcolm X to Genocidal Supervillains" committee.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:07:48 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#132356: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:09:23 PM

Just chiming to say that the comparison to Killmonger to Malcolm X or The Black Panther Party is extremely off base, nor is he anywhere near representative of their form of radicalism. I'm not as familiar with Williams, but a brief bit of research shows he's not particularly comparable to Killmonger either.

Michael B. Jordan said he viewed Killmonger as a cross between Malcolm X, Magneto, and Tupac Shakur. He also apparently drew from Huey P. Newton, Marcus Garvey, and Fred Hampton for the role. I'm not pulling this comparison out of nothingness. I'm saying that, subtextually, Killmonger is meant to represent a form of radicalism that is tied to those figures on a surface level (even though it doesn't actually reflect the positions of communists like the BPP or revolutionary nationalists like Malcolm X and Robert F. Williams). He does not literally share their views, but he is meant to represent that generalized "radical" strain of ideology, or at least a VERY liberalized version of "radical" ideology.

It's no different than when you get a movie showing some vague "anarchist" group and all they do is blow shit up. Is it actually representative of anarchism or radical politics in general? No. But it's what the filmmakers THINK such radical politics are and that's how they choose to represent them.

Edited by Diana1969 on Aug 23rd 2021 at 11:17:49 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132357: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:20:18 PM

I'm saying that, subtextually, Killmonger is meant to represent a form of radicalism that is tied to those figures on a surface level (even though it doesn't actually reflect the positions of communists like the BPP or revolutionary nationalists like Malcolm X and Robert F. Williams)

I was aware of what you were saying. You were incorrect.

Black Nationalism as professed by Malcolm X and the Black Panthers is not particularly connected to the kind of rhetoric Killmonger uses. He's often exaggerated into "violent black supremacists" by modern media, but that doesn't make that exaggeration accurate. Even Williams was more bluntly "if the environment we're in is going to be violent to us, we should protect ourselves with violence" rather than "if the system is wrong, we need to knock it down and control it ourselves."

You might be able to spin a connection between Killmonger's rhetoric and someone like Elijah Muhammad (whose rhetoric Malcolm X did abide by before he changed his tune to something more universal), but even that's a maybe. Either way, those particular comparisons don't really work.

It'd be nice to see a source for that Jordan statement, too. There's a difference between "I acted this character as a revolutionary, just like these other people," and "this character was written to be based on the ideologies of these people," after all, and knowing Jordan it seems more likely that he was saying the former and not the latter.

It's no different than when you get a movie showing some vague "anarchist" group and all they do is blow shit up. Is it actually representative of anarchism or radical politics in general? No. But it's what the filmmakers THINK such radical politics are and that's how they choose to represent them.

I'm not sure how this works in your claiming your statement is accurate. It feels more like an admission of inaccuracy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:24:21 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#132358: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:43:25 PM

NVM

Edited by Diana1969 on Aug 23rd 2021 at 11:45:12 PM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132359: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:43:33 PM

All righty.

Okey Dokey!
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#132360: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:46:20 PM

HOLY SHIT SO DR. OCTOPUS IS HERE AND IT'S NO FAKE. PLUS THAT LIGHTNING ATTACK AND THE PUMPKIN BOMB HOLY SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#132361: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:48:11 PM

"The multiverse is something we know frighteningly little off"

Probably bevusse it didn't even exist before Loki. Lmao

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#132362: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:51:05 PM

Yeah I'm still not sure how I feel about this plot being "Doctor Strange goes behind Wong's back and fucks things up, and now Spider-Man has to fix it." It feels at-odds with Strange's portrayal not just in Infinity War and Endgame, but the ending of his own movie too. Everything else is great though. Glad to finally see Alfred Molina's Doc Ock again.

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Goku Black
#132363: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:51:58 PM

Tbf it sounds like Peter messed with the spell so is mainly at fault

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#132364: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:53:04 PM

Interesting to note even if they don't appear in person we see Electro's lightning and hear Dafoe's Evil Laugh. Guess they still want their full reveals to be for the second trailer.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132365: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:53:04 PM

He should probably have read the warnings. They come after the spells.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132366: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:53:34 PM

Holy fuck so its an adaptation of One More Day.

Thats surprising.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#132367: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:56:16 PM

Quick question of the rhetorical variety: is it too early to start a separate thread for NWH or should we wait a few months?

Okey Dokey!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#132368: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:57:25 PM

Uh I'd wait at least till we get the second trailer since we don't even know if the film will stick with it's December date yet.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132369: Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:59:37 PM

[up][up][up] I was trying to wrap my mind around what they were doing, and I think you hit it on the head. Peter screwing up the spell warped his history so that villains who had never existed before now did, and warped his personal history in strange and unpredictable way. One More Day, with a splash of Flashpoint Paradox. Which I guess is one way to cheat your way past character introductions.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:00:01 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#132370: Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:02:29 PM

Okay, so they actually are following up on FFH's mid-credits scene. Cool. I'm not sure about the implementation of ol' Gobby and Doc Ock, but I'm open to have my concerns put at ease. Also, that joke with Wong just bailing on Peter and Strange was pretty funny.

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Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Spirit of Battle
#132371: Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:02:30 PM

Good trailer, though as said earlier, it is odd for Dr Strange to be messing with stuff like that. He always seemed to grasp the importance of what his powers could do.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132372: Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:03:21 PM

[up][up] I like Wong's habit of just noping out of plots that aren't specifically Dr. Strange movies.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132373: Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:05:29 PM

In honor of his reveal, let us remember good old Power Rangers Goblin.

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Hell of a design especially for the early 2000s.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:06:37 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#132374: Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:05:53 PM

It feels at-odds with Strange's portrayal not just in Infinity War and Endgame

It’s still in character if you believe Strange is trying to kill any hero who ticks him off. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:06:07 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#132375: Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:08:22 PM

I mean, yes, okay, that tracks. Peter really shoulda just stuck with "sir" or at least "Strange" instead of going all the way to calling him "Stephen". tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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