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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Release with the unfinished effects. Kind of like when Universal released the trailer to The Mummy (2017) without the music and sound effects.
Just chiming to say that the comparison to Killmonger to Malcolm X or The Black Panther Party is extremely off base, nor is he anywhere near representative of their form of radicalism. I'm not as familiar with Williams, but a brief bit of research shows he's not particularly comparable to Killmonger either.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:07:48 AM
Michael B. Jordan said he viewed Killmonger as a cross between Malcolm X, Magneto, and Tupac Shakur.
He also apparently drew from Huey P. Newton, Marcus Garvey, and Fred Hampton
for the role. I'm not pulling this comparison out of nothingness. I'm saying that, subtextually, Killmonger is meant to represent a form of radicalism that is tied to those figures on a surface level (even though it doesn't actually reflect the positions of communists like the BPP or revolutionary nationalists like Malcolm X and Robert F. Williams). He does not literally share their views, but he is meant to represent that generalized "radical" strain of ideology, or at least a VERY liberalized version of "radical" ideology.
It's no different than when you get a movie showing some vague "anarchist" group and all they do is blow shit up. Is it actually representative of anarchism or radical politics in general? No. But it's what the filmmakers THINK such radical politics are and that's how they choose to represent them.
Edited by Diana1969 on Aug 23rd 2021 at 11:17:49 PM
I was aware of what you were saying. You were incorrect.
Black Nationalism as professed by Malcolm X and the Black Panthers is not particularly connected to the kind of rhetoric Killmonger uses. He's often exaggerated into "violent black supremacists" by modern media, but that doesn't make that exaggeration accurate. Even Williams was more bluntly "if the environment we're in is going to be violent to us, we should protect ourselves with violence" rather than "if the system is wrong, we need to knock it down and control it ourselves."
You might be able to spin a connection between Killmonger's rhetoric and someone like Elijah Muhammad (whose rhetoric Malcolm X did abide by before he changed his tune to something more universal), but even that's a maybe. Either way, those particular comparisons don't really work.
It'd be nice to see a source for that Jordan statement, too. There's a difference between "I acted this character as a revolutionary, just like these other people," and "this character was written to be based on the ideologies of these people," after all, and knowing Jordan it seems more likely that he was saying the former and not the latter.
I'm not sure how this works in your claiming your statement is accurate. It feels more like an admission of inaccuracy.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 23rd 2021 at 6:24:21 AM
HOLY SHIT SO DR. OCTOPUS IS HERE AND IT'S NO FAKE. PLUS THAT LIGHTNING ATTACK AND THE PUMPKIN BOMB HOLY SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, nglYeah I'm still not sure how I feel about this plot being "Doctor Strange goes behind Wong's back and fucks things up, and now Spider-Man has to fix it." It feels at-odds with Strange's portrayal not just in Infinity War and Endgame, but the ending of his own movie too. Everything else is great though. Glad to finally see Alfred Molina's Doc Ock again.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Interesting to note even if they don't appear in person we see Electro's lightning and hear Dafoe's Evil Laugh. Guess they still want their full reveals to be for the second trailer.
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I was trying to wrap my mind around what they were doing, and I think you hit it on the head. Peter screwing up the spell warped his history so that villains who had never existed before now did, and warped his personal history in strange and unpredictable way. One More Day, with a splash of Flashpoint Paradox. Which I guess is one way to cheat your way past character introductions.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:00:01 AM
Okay, so they actually are following up on FFH's mid-credits scene. Cool. I'm not sure about the implementation of ol' Gobby and Doc Ock, but I'm open to have my concerns put at ease. Also, that joke with Wong just bailing on Peter and Strange was pretty funny.
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Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 23rd 2021 at 7:06:07 AM

When should the actual trailer be out, I thought it was today?
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