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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132101: Aug 21st 2021 at 11:11:39 AM

Or don't rely on anyone's settings and judge it for yourself

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132102: Aug 21st 2021 at 11:12:30 AM

[up] Yep, that's the best one.

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#132103: Aug 21st 2021 at 11:20:16 AM

IMDB personal ratings are easy to dogpile so I don't trust them either. Just make your own opinion.

For example I disliked Doctor Strange a lot, but the real unpopular part of my opinion is that while I definitely hated the whitewashing, and that contributed to my dislike in a small way, mostly I just found it an extremely mediocre film in all regards except the CG, and with severely below-average writing to boot.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 21st 2021 at 2:21:45 PM

LinkMarioSamus Since: Aug, 2021
#132104: Aug 21st 2021 at 11:25:57 AM

That's what I have primarily heard from people who disliked the film though. There's this one ranking of MCU movies online that keeps updating with each new film and it has Doctor Strange only ranked above Iron Man 2. Bear in mind though that list ranks Infinity War and Civil War outside the top 10 and Age of Ultron in it.

I saw both Civil War and Doctor Strange when they came out and I remember thinking they were enjoyable enough without really caring otherwise. I was astonished to find they both had RT scores in the low 90s. I'm generally not much into newer movies anyway, though I do appreciate the better MCU films. My favorites are Iron Man 1 and Black Panther.

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132105: Aug 21st 2021 at 11:27:01 AM

[up][up] Not really. IMDB uses a weighting system which filters out people who only log in to the site to put "1-2"s and "9-10"s and gives higher weight to votes of people who regularly rank something and give reasonable ranks.

They don't disclose how their algorithm works exactly to avoid people gaming it, but you can click on the votes and see the breakdown, and the result usually won't be the arithmetic mean.

Like this:

  • What If <— here they seem to have filtered out 1s.
  • Black Widow <— here they discounted 10s.

It usually takes a while for the ratings to settle though, so when a new film or TV show is released, the ratings won't be reliable until a couple of months have passed.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 21st 2021 at 9:31:00 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#132106: Aug 21st 2021 at 11:30:42 AM

In regards to Every Frame a Pause and Mau Ler, they have at least watched the films and TV shows they either like or dislike, even going so far as to show clips from the original source. They've even done livestreams where they show most or all of it. So while they aren't above criticism, they've taken their time to see specific movies and shows (especially MauLer).

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 21st 2021 at 11:32:12 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#132107: Aug 21st 2021 at 11:45:36 AM

they have at least watched the films and TV shows they either like or dislike, even going so far as to show clips from the original source

That's quite literally the bare minimum you should do if you're making a video essay about something. What's the alternative, make a video deconstructing something you've never watched?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 21st 2021 at 2:46:10 PM

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#132108: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:10:18 PM

Yeah, no, I don't know much about the first guy but Mauler's critiques are all shallow critiques disguised as deep by length. No, seriously, the guy is worse than Hbomb, he can go at it for hours. His bashing of TLOU 2 alone has, like, 50 parts (it brings in money, since haters are still at it). His other... issues I'm not even going to get into.

Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
_(o)_
#132109: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:10:22 PM

[up][up]Collegehumor made a funny sketch about that

Edited by Ohmknight on Aug 22nd 2021 at 3:14:38 AM

The Final Name
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#132110: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:10:29 PM

I don't think Black Widow deserves a 4-hour-long video about how much it sucks. I'd argue no movie deserves a 4-hour-long video about how much it sucks.

The legend has returned.
Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
_(o)_
#132111: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:12:44 PM

[up]Yeah. When the video discussing only how a movie fails surpasses an hour and 30mins, it begins to feel like someone trying to make a long video just for the sake of it.

Edited by Ohmknight on Aug 22nd 2021 at 3:13:23 AM

The Final Name
LinkMarioSamus Since: Aug, 2021
#132112: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:22:56 PM

Notice how not a single film Mau Ler has done a rage video on has a RT score lower than 30%, and only two have scores below 50%. Needless to say I agree that no movie needs a 4-hour video explaining what's wrong with it.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132113: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:25:46 PM

Are you just here to talk about m Mau Ler?Cos it sure feels like it!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132114: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:31:25 PM

Okay so make your bets, is Ikaris gonna be killed off early in the film or is he gonna make it through most of it to near the end? tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132115: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:34:48 PM

He needs to make it nearer the end so there can be something about flying too close to the sun

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132117: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:38:19 PM

No thats Phastos.

Ikaris is the white guy.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 21st 2021 at 12:38:34 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#132118: Aug 21st 2021 at 12:57:32 PM

[up]x3 Ikaris survives till the end, fights Sersi and then flies to the sun smile

I mean it, it is a real spoiler, don't read any futher if you don't want it!


There is apparently an old leak for the Eternals that says exactly that. I've just found it today. Up to and including the "flies to the sun" part. It now seems very legit.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 21st 2021 at 11:20:49 AM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#132119: Aug 21st 2021 at 1:00:03 PM

I honestly dont expect him to die at all.

Probably Druig, Ajak and...maybe Gilgamesh will die.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#132120: Aug 21st 2021 at 1:01:06 PM

Ikaris is too marketable and merchandisable for them to kill off, so I don't expect it to happen.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132121: Aug 21st 2021 at 1:01:34 PM

Gilgamesh has Big Guy Fatality Syndrome written all over him.

While Ajak is the kind compassionate leader and Druig is the obviously evil guy who'd you make the red herring.

So yeah all 3 are pretty likely to die.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#132122: Aug 21st 2021 at 1:19:57 PM

Well who ever dies, I'm dreading looking forward to the online discussions of how they They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character of who ever gets killed off.

Edited by DoubleOG on Aug 21st 2021 at 1:20:35 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132124: Aug 21st 2021 at 1:26:01 PM

Gilgamesh sounds the most interesting to me

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
LinkMarioSamus Since: Aug, 2021
#132125: Aug 21st 2021 at 2:11:04 PM

Somehow I had a feeling Mau Ler was more popular than he really is and was surprised no one brought him up. Must be spending too much time on You Tube and/or with the Star Wars community.

Either that, or the MCU and Star Wars fandoms don't overlap that much, which I've also suspected of being the case.

Edited by LinkMarioSamus on Aug 21st 2021 at 2:12:30 AM


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