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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I already expressed this criticism since soon after Civil War came out, but it does seem like Phase 3 was deliberately set up so that the events of Civil War, as grandiose as they pushed it, wouldn't actually have the kinds of tangible consequences it ought to. None of the films on the original slate touch upon anything that would be meaningfully affected by the Avengers' dissolutionnote . Pretty much everything Team Stark and Team Cap got up to in between Civil War and Infinity War, and whatever the hell is up with the deliberately vague Accords, which were only ever meant to have as much definition as is necessary to make them a Conflict Ball, is left a blank slate, and is part of why their resolutions in IW/EG feel so unsatisfactory.
Of the two movies that were inserted afterwards, Spider-Man Homecoming does a little to answer what happened to Tony afterwards and some things about his mental state and his relationship with Pepper, but otherwise doesn't delve into the overarching conflict aside of a joke about Cap being a war criminal now. Ant-Man and the Wasp is probably the film that addresses it the best out of the Phase 3 films, but Scott has always been set pretty far apart from the other Avengers to begin with.
Some of it is a result of fundamental limitations of movies as a medium (particularly things like actor availability, and the importance of cutting down on Continuity Lock-Out for the sake of storytelling coherence), but it does result in some rather large gaps in narrative and character arcs and worldbuilding for those who do choose to follow along.
Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 20th 2021 at 9:08:53 AM
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The knowledge that a Nova project appears to be in the works does lend to the potential of an Annihilation adaptation.
Especially since its a popular storyline as well as Nova and Star Lord in the source material being big players in it, to the point of becoming war buddies afterwards.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."- Pretty much everything Team Stark and Team Cap got up to in between Civil War and Infinity War, and whatever the hell is up with the deliberately vague Accords, which were only ever meant to have as much definition as is necessary to make them a Conflict Ball, is left a blank slate, and is part of why their resolutions in IW/EG feel so unsatisfactory.
You know, I actually think it's funny that the characters who were on the side of the Accords in Civil War had all broken them by Infinity War. Rhodey came around during his recovery from being shot down, and went rogue when Ross ordered him to arrest the Secret Avengers. Natasha aided Team Cap after doing the events of her solo film. T'Challa only wanted to kill Bucky, and when he realized he was wrong, immediately changed sides. Vision was regularly meeting up with Wanda for sexy times and turning off his Accords-mandated tracker. And so on and so forth.
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Meh. Even if I do, beat him down anyway. Even before Infinity War/Endgame, Quill was being put through the emotional wringer. Just go all in with it.
Wreck him. Wreck him until nothing can be wrecked.
One Strip! One Strip!I mean this is not new, look Ao U and Civil war: they show new member of a new team of falcon, wanda, vision and.....they fight each other the next movie, MCU have this issue of setting new status quo they undone the next time.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Its funny in a way.
Quill was recharacterized in Bendis' Guardians of the Galaxy to be kind of a doofus in anticipation of the movie. Originally he was pragmatic grizzled space vet, traumatized for failing to be a space messiah and for his part in Ultron taking over the Kree.
Writers have slowly chipped away at the doofus, suggesting that the behavior was his way of coping with the trauma of the dumb thing that happened at the end of Thanos Imperative on top of all the other traumas. And he started being a more serious character again. Then Ewing dunked him into an alternate universe for a few hundred years to get him all the way back to being a spacey space messiah type.
But what I'm getting at is if Marvel adapted Annihilation for the MCU to make Quill a more serious character, it'd be hilarious from that sense. Like the MCU and the comics chasing each others tails
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHe got some good focus in gotg 2 but so did Quill
Its clearly time for Drax and Mantis to shine.
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 20th 2021 at 10:50:37 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersDrax got the idea about standing so still he's invisible from Dancing baby groot.
He knows it works, even if he hasn't seen it himself.
Okay, out of curiosity, I found this breakdown of screentime for each of the MCU characters by film
. In the first Guardians movie, Quill has the most screentime with around 46 minutes, while Rocket is in third with 19 minutes. Gamora has more than him, having about 31 minutes.
In Vol 2, it's the same deal. Quill is in first with 35 minutes of screentime, Gamora is in second with 24, and Rocket is in third with 19. In Infinity War, it's switched up as Gamora has 20 minutes of screentime (making her just behind Thanos and second overall), Quill has 10 minutes, and Rocket has six. Endgame is the only film where Rocket has more screentime than Quill, having eight minutes of screentime compared to Quill's three.
New RockStars released their breakdown
of the Eternals trailer. Spoilers galore. If you are not subscribed to them and are into MCU theories and lore, I can't recommend them enough.
Edited by Asherinka on Aug 21st 2021 at 12:45:51 PM
Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.By the way, I missed the fact that Ramin Djawadi wrote music for the Eternals. He wrote music for my two favourite TV shows, Game of Thrones and Westworld, and he is very, very good. Now I'm hyped just for the soundtrack alone.
Marvel seem to have realised they need to improve music in Phase 4.
Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.

Someone in I think the What If? thread suggested putting Quill through something similar to Annihilation to make him act more like his comic self.
I agree. Grind him down, traumatize him even worse than everything that's already happened (death of his mom, dad being an asshole, death of that dad, death of his adopted dad, death of Gamora). Make him the current Jar-Jar Binks of Star Wars canon (for the uninitiated, Jar Jar is living on the streets of Naboo forced to act as a clown because everyone hates him for letting the empire be a thing), and then, unlike Jar-Jar, build him back up into something better and different. Make him suffer from the thought of his old self or even being like his old self.
Turn him into something worthwhile, even if it's done in a cruel way. Satisfy those who hate him, and those who like him and want to be better.
One Strip! One Strip!