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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#132026: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:03:13 PM

but they aren't blue!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132027: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:03:32 PM

I blame Kang putting us in a time loop

A time loop

A time loop

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132028: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:04:45 PM

It's a fairly predictable cycle, where everyone hates the Inhumans, but no one wants to change Kamala's origin to get rid of them. I don't know why it's a line in the sand, but apparently it is. So we end up in this holding pattern.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:05:07 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132029: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:04:55 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Wait minute, if the Kree are tied to the Inhumans and Captain Marvel is tied to the Kree then by the power of transitive properties it could only mean one thing.

Captain Marvel is an Inhuman.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2021 at 12:05:04 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132030: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:05:44 PM

Chances are they might just make her related to the Kree

Technically she already was as an Inhuman since the Inhumans are a result of Kree experiments.

But i can see that as an alternative.

where everyone hates the Inhumans

Except Lockjaw.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:19:54 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#132031: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:09:43 PM

Well, fictional dogs who are not popular are pretty hard to come by.

Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132032: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:09:51 PM

Not everyone hates the Inhumans and not everyone doesn’t want to change Kamala’s origin

Evidenced by all the “wouldn’t it be wild if they made her a mutant ha ha at last vindication for Wanda and Pietro being changed mwahahahaha” comments

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:09:59 PM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#132033: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:10:13 PM

Armor Wars has found its head writer.

As for [Yassir] Lester, the up-and-coming writer had been bit of a leg up on other writers meeting for the job having already worked with Cheadle on his Showtime series Black Monday as one of its lead writers and insiders say Lester’s pitch excited execs as well as Cheadle for what he thought Armor Wars could be.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#132034: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:19:22 PM

[up]OK, so the head writer's worked with the lead before, which means that there's some chemistry there. Just don't skimp on the Armor Wars in Armor Wars and I'm sure they'll make something good.

Still expecting Riri in it, because it makes too much sense. I'd be upset if they didn't include her.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#132035: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:31:00 PM

People want everything to be the debut of mutants. Remember when Wanda was supposed to magic mutants into the world in Wandavision?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132036: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:32:09 PM

> Except Lockjaw.

And Black Bolt because he has cool superpowers

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132037: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:34:32 PM

I like Karnak’s powers

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132038: Aug 20th 2021 at 12:37:12 PM

I do remember when they gave Karnack his own book and even placed him on the last Secret Warriors comic which was comprised of solely other Inhumans like Kamala and Quake.

I think they were trying to make him the breakout member of the Royal Family.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132039: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:16:26 PM

I feel like Quill does deserve at least some criticism for him losing it on Titan. It shouldn't just be swept under the rug. But yeah, let's not spend the rest of the MCU hating him.

Imo, they should give it exactly as much canon attention as they gave to Tony going apeshit on Bucky and causing the Avengers to split, and no more. Guardians 3 definitely shouldn't be "the story of how Peter Quill proved he was sorry to the rest of the Galaxy because the fans demanded it."

As much as I love the Russos, the Infinity War / Endgame duology did a lot of stuff with the Guardians that imo the main Guardians films shouldn't have to deal with if they don't want to. I like that they've unequivocally confirmed that Guardians 3 isn't going to be a Thor piece, for example.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2021 at 1:17:51 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#132040: Aug 20th 2021 at 2:17:02 PM

Imo, they should give it exactly as much canon attention as they gave to Tony going apeshit on Bucky and causing the Avengers to split, and no more.

So, not at all? I agree they don't need to make GOTG 3 all about that, and try to move on from it as best as they can.

But they provided basically no resolution to the Tony berserk incident, mostly sweeping it under the rug and treating it as a Noodle Incident. The creators may have justified it offscreen at some point, but the lack of onscreen closure over that incident is a commonly cited example of Tony's general perception as a franchisewide Karma Houdini whose feet are insufficiently held to the fire over his personal failings (or at least as a character who, even if he feels personal guilt over it, nevertheless receives favoritism from the higher-ups and the camera), unless you pore over creator interviews.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 20th 2021 at 5:20:16 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#132041: Aug 20th 2021 at 2:22:09 PM

It felt like Tony dealt with some consequences in that he was very much limited at the start of Infinity War by how many Avengers had abandoned him, while Star-Lord for some odd reason no one expresses any discontent with him screwing up and acts like it didn’t happen. Which is odd considering they’re not at all silent about Thor’s mistake.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 20th 2021 at 2:23:41 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#132042: Aug 20th 2021 at 2:49:39 PM

They did it in a noncommittal way that allows audiences to fully pin the blame on Steve if they choose (which a great deal of fans have done; Civil War really did shatter the fandom permanently like this), rather than acknowledge onscreen that Tony might've done any wrong.

Endgame's reconciliation subplot is left vague in a way that's sort of frustrating as it just as much suggests that Tony merely has a communication/grudge issue rather than any clear in-universe acknowledgment that he had an active contributing role in the Avengers' breakup, again out of what seems like fear from the executives that discussing Tony's faults too explicitly would somehow damage Tony's brand value in front of casual audiences.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#132043: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:48:42 PM

Well, clearly the answer here is to posthumously make Tony the MCU's Memetic Loser, and only flash back to him getting hit in the crotch repeatedly.

What? Half this thread already calls Tony the real villain of the franchise. Don't come crying to me when that happens. tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#132044: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:56:36 PM

I don’t know that casual audiences care what with their casualness

How I envy them their nonchalance

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132045: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:58:21 PM

Huh maybe Quill would have a better rep if he had a dying moment of awesome too.

A bit late for a Thanos Imperative though. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132046: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:08:19 PM

The consequences of Tony's actions create the status quo that the characters have to deal with in the later movies, including most importantlys the Avengers being split up and caught with their pants down when the events of Infinity War took place, and informs the schism between Cap and him that lasts until Endgame.

The film never goes out of its way to punish him or have someone blatantly say "this is your fault, Tony!", but it doesn't need to and would arguably distract to from the plot its trying to tell. The consequences of his actions are self evident, anyway.

GOTG 3 should be the same way. Quill will have enough on his place in GOTG 3 with Replacement Goldfish Gamora wanting nothing to do with him (I'm already annoyed about the inevitable plot that's going to result in) and - presumably - being our viewpoint character in the first look at the post-Blip galaxy, without the story treating him like a pariah for being one of the people who failed to stop Thanos.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2021 at 4:09:31 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#132047: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:08:22 PM

Lester is kind of an odd choice for a show like Armor Wars (something like She Hulk seems like it would be more up his alley) but I like that Marvel is not making the obvious choices with some of its writers and directors.

I do like the work of his that I've seen, though.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#132048: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:44:07 PM

[up][up]Granted I will said that consequence feel a little strong because often you dont know how much would changes without the civil war given exactly how everything happen, and that tony even without the avengers was THIS close to defeating thanos in infinity war.

The consequence of civil war was somewhat muted by infinity war.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132049: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:47:36 PM

I am curious whats gonna happen to the Guardians after 3.

Pretty sure thats the grand finale of Gunn's tenure with the characters so like are they gonna die or what?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#132050: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:53:01 PM

Something tells me Gunn's plan for his third Guardians movie is not to end it with "and then they all died."


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