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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Not everyone hates the Inhumans and not everyone doesn’t want to change Kamala’s origin
Evidenced by all the “wouldn’t it be wild if they made her a mutant ha ha at last vindication for Wanda and Pietro being changed mwahahahaha” comments
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:09:59 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersArmor Wars has found its head writer
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Imo, they should give it exactly as much canon attention as they gave to Tony going apeshit on Bucky and causing the Avengers to split, and no more. Guardians 3 definitely shouldn't be "the story of how Peter Quill proved he was sorry to the rest of the Galaxy because the fans demanded it."
As much as I love the Russos, the Infinity War / Endgame duology did a lot of stuff with the Guardians that imo the main Guardians films shouldn't have to deal with if they don't want to. I like that they've unequivocally confirmed that Guardians 3 isn't going to be a Thor piece, for example.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2021 at 1:17:51 AM
So, not at all? I agree they don't need to make GOTG 3 all about that, and try to move on from it as best as they can.
But they provided basically no resolution to the Tony berserk incident, mostly sweeping it under the rug and treating it as a Noodle Incident. The creators may have justified it offscreen at some point, but the lack of onscreen closure over that incident is a commonly cited example of Tony's general perception as a franchisewide Karma Houdini whose feet are insufficiently held to the fire over his personal failings (or at least as a character who, even if he feels personal guilt over it, nevertheless receives favoritism from the higher-ups and the camera), unless you pore over creator interviews.
Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 20th 2021 at 5:20:16 AM
It felt like Tony dealt with some consequences in that he was very much limited at the start of Infinity War by how many Avengers had abandoned him, while Star-Lord for some odd reason no one expresses any discontent with him screwing up and acts like it didn’t happen. Which is odd considering they’re not at all silent about Thor’s mistake.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 20th 2021 at 2:23:41 AM
They did it in a noncommittal way that allows audiences to fully pin the blame on Steve if they choose (which a great deal of fans have done; Civil War really did shatter the fandom permanently like this), rather than acknowledge onscreen that Tony might've done any wrong.
Endgame's reconciliation subplot is left vague in a way that's sort of frustrating as it just as much suggests that Tony merely has a communication/grudge issue rather than any clear in-universe acknowledgment that he had an active contributing role in the Avengers' breakup, again out of what seems like fear from the executives that discussing Tony's faults too explicitly would somehow damage Tony's brand value in front of casual audiences.
Well, clearly the answer here is to posthumously make Tony the MCU's Memetic Loser, and only flash back to him getting hit in the crotch repeatedly.
What? Half this thread already calls Tony the real villain of the franchise. Don't come crying to me when that happens.
I don’t know that casual audiences care what with their casualness
How I envy them their nonchalance
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe consequences of Tony's actions create the status quo that the characters have to deal with in the later movies, including most importantlys the Avengers being split up and caught with their pants down when the events of Infinity War took place, and informs the schism between Cap and him that lasts until Endgame.
The film never goes out of its way to punish him or have someone blatantly say "this is your fault, Tony!", but it doesn't need to and would arguably distract to from the plot its trying to tell. The consequences of his actions are self evident, anyway.
GOTG 3 should be the same way. Quill will have enough on his place in GOTG 3 with Replacement Goldfish Gamora wanting nothing to do with him (I'm already annoyed about the inevitable plot that's going to result in) and - presumably - being our viewpoint character in the first look at the post-Blip galaxy, without the story treating him like a pariah for being one of the people who failed to stop Thanos.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 20th 2021 at 4:09:31 AM
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Granted I will said that consequence feel a little strong because often you dont know how much would changes without the civil war given exactly how everything happen, and that tony even without the avengers was THIS close to defeating thanos in infinity war.
The consequence of civil war was somewhat muted by infinity war.
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