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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
What I hate about the Iron Fist and Inhumans bashing online is that people don't want the characters fixed, they want them erased. A very popular theory is to make Shang-Chi the Iron Fist and retire Danny Rand, arguing that keeping Danny white perpetuates Mighty Whitey and making him Asian perpetuates All Asians Know Martial Arts. Meanwhile people want the entire Inhumans concept Exiled from Continuity in response to the last 10 years of them being the Creator's Pet, arguing that it's too tainted and that it's just better doing all of it with mutants anyway (as if that corner isn't so fucking big already).
I am far and away a bigger fan of actually fixing them and making them viable and I don't see what is actually stopping them from being made such.
I'm only vaguely aware of the stuff going on with Pratt in real life (something about him being connected to a cult), so I don't take that into account when I talk about Quill.
Yeah, he's kind of an idiot. I can't deny that, but he did still bring the guardians together: he talked Rocket, Gamora and Groot into teaming up to get paid, talked Drax out of killing Gamora, which lead to his assistance during the break out, and he was the one who convinced them all to save Xandar (though only after he realized Gamora was right about the stone, so she deserves a bit more credit on that one). He's also the one who talked Yondu into assisting with that fight against Ronan on Xandar, which probably helped a lot.
And of course, in 2 he saved not just one planet, but multiple ones when he stopped his dad.
Like, there's something there that could be so much more if he could just get over himself. Hell, the plan he botched in Infinity War was apparently one HE came up with. Quill's a massive double edged sword. And believe me, I'm well aware of what a dumbfuck he is. It was all I could think about after Infinity War, and I (initially) loved how Endgame treated him.
But now I want them to fix him. To push him away from that. To not render his better moments moot. Because it's too easy to just go this guy sucks, fuck him and then throw them away, and I'm afraid that's an attitude that could become too prevalent. A character becomes unpopular, so they just throw them out. It's happened to a lot of characters, some deserving of it, some not. My deal is, if it can happen to someone you don't care about, it can happen to someone you do. If the writers aren't willing to work with characters who people don't like, then it'll be too easy to abandon others eventually.
So fix him. Make the effort. That's my stance.
One Strip! One Strip!The backlash to the Inhumans push annoys me more then the push did
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI agree with the criticisms of Star-Lord as coming off very uncharismatic, and have felt this way about him before the whole Hillsong controversy and independently of my thoughts on Chris Pratt as a person/actor (which if you had to ask me point blank, my answer is "I don't").
Pratt was charming enough as Andy in Parks and Recreation, and some of the funnier lines in the show were good improv on his part, but it helped that Andy was not the main character and that he was surrounded by an ensemble cast to better counter his manchild tendencies. As Quill he just gives off an air of being the bad kind of frat bro. I understand that some of that is the point, so he has a place to grow from, but the issue is that it makes him an Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist in a movie that's not the kind of genre to balance its cast and story around it properly, so it just makes him the regular kind of unsympathetic.
The way to deal with this I'd argue is to make him actually mature farther than he has, but since regular audiences find said frat bro persona part of his appeal, I don't have high hopes of that happening.
Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 20th 2021 at 1:03:26 PM
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See the thing is Pratt's acting is why the character comes across as unlikable moron.
Its the way he plays the character, how he acts, he makes Quill come across as a gigantic douchebag. Which is worsened by the fact even in the Guardians movies he was never really portrayed as particularly skilled so he was effectively coasting off protagonist privilege to become the undeserved leader of the Guardians.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2021 at 10:04:52 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Iron Fist has essentially found himself in a ditch where, no matter what happens or how Marvel Studios adapts him, there will be a group that’ll get outraged at the fact he’s here.
As for the Inhumans… yeah, I can totally see them making Kamala a Mutant and giving the Inhumans the Adapted Out treatment, no questions asked.
SKREEEEEEEONK!
Got it. And considering perlmutter hated the idea of female and minority-led superhero films (he kept trying to prevent Black Widow from getting her own movie if I recall), inhumans are looking like they have the bad luck of being associated w/ him.
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It prolly doesn't help that the Inhumans are kind of eugenicists with their own slave culture.
I mean I know people give Wakanda crap for being like an ethnostate or something, but Attilan is pretty much every bad thing people label Wakanda and more.
Its not like T'Challa has slaves.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 20th 2021 at 11:31:11 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

He's basically Ryan Reynolds but sans redeeming qualities as an actor.
Disgusted, but not surprised