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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131976: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:24:42 AM

Which in turn becomes more retroactive dunking on Peter Quill.[lol]

....oh shit. It really is gonna turn into more dunking on Quill. Ok. That's enough.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#131977: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:25:46 AM

Guess Quill is now the MCU's biggest loser.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131978: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:33:50 AM

Maybe Ego was a Celestial who pissed off the rest and got his head ripped off for his trouble.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131979: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:34:58 AM

[up][up]No. Stop it!

Yeah. I tore into him quite endlessly when he first fucked up, but I also said I wanted him to bounce back. Show why he was able to bring the guardians together to save Xandar. Why he was able to stop Ego.

But if this shit keeps up, if people keep finding reasons both real and exaggerated to shit on him, then it won't matter what he does. They'll care more about perpetuating Memes than anything else. He'll be like comic book Hank Pym: completely unusable because everyone would rather focus on his worst moments than anything else in order to shit on him.

So no. Stop it. You to marvel. Fix what you've broken.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 20th 2021 at 8:35:12 AM

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Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131980: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:37:17 AM

I still like Quill. He's only human after all, don't put the blame on him smile

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#131981: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:37:29 AM

I don't remember anyone in-universe blaming Quil for the Snap, at any point. And Dr. Strange knew he was going to do that and deliberately didn't stop him because letting the Snap happen was the only way to stop Thanos for good in the long-term.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131982: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:39:36 AM

I have a feeling that even if Taika Watiti and James Gunn do their best to rerail Quill in the upcoming movies, people are going to complain that they're trying too hard to make excuses for and/or ignore what happened in IW and Endgame. If they make Quill even more unsympathetic, people will just hate him more. It's a tough situation.

I'm not a huge fan of Peter Quill as a character to be honest, but I do think that there are far too many people who somehow think he's the worst character in the MCU. Some are even saying he's more evil than the Red Skull, which I just think is ridiculous.

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#131983: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:41:12 AM

> Maybe Ego was a Celestial who pissed off the rest and got his head ripped off for his trouble.

My idea is that at some point he had a run in with Galactus and his sanity did not survive

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:42:01 PM

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Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131984: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:42:30 AM

[up][up] I was under impression that Sharon Carter and Sylvie get way more hate than Quill recently. People forgot about him.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 20th 2021 at 6:43:00 PM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131985: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:43:26 AM

[up] I haven't seen that much hate for Sharon Carter. If anything, a lot of people seem to like the new twist on her character.

Sylvie though...yeah, she's a Base-Breaking Character if I ever saw one.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#131986: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:44:40 AM

[up][up]We all know the most hated character in the MCU across all its entries is Danny Rand, the absolute failure in his failure show that won't exist as soon as Iron Fist can get thrown into something with a new actor and proper costume.

Second is Tony Stark, who like Sandy Frank all those years ago, is the source of everyone's pain.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 20th 2021 at 11:44:56 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#131987: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:46:54 AM

I would very much like it if they continued to not give Quill shit in-universe. That's one fan reaction I don't want to see validated, and James Gunn should definitely not make it a canonical thing.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131988: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:47:30 AM

I'm against the Danny bashing as well.

I do agree that things will improve for him once a new actor comes in. It's best for the character and for Finn Jones as well.

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#131989: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:47:57 AM

No one is going to mention the Inhuman royal family.

The audience sided with the bad guys over them lol. (Who tbf are uh...awkwardly right).

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#131990: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:48:36 AM

damn inhumans!

-shakes fist at the moon-

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131991: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:49:34 AM

I feel like Quill does deserve at least some criticism for him losing it on Titan. It shouldn't just be swept under the rug. But yeah, let's not spend the rest of the MCU hating him.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#131992: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:50:08 AM

[up][up][up]I still bring up Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order and the good guys going "Wait, you guys have slaves?" and Medusa awkwardly tries to change the subject.

And yes, Danny will probably be recast, with no giving up the Fist to Colleen or whatever nonsense the show was doing.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 20th 2021 at 11:50:50 AM

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131993: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:50:50 AM

> I haven't seen that much hate for Sharon Carter.

I have, people on reddit are very divided about Sharon, the majority seems to heavily dislike the twist. I like both her and Sylvie.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 20th 2021 at 6:52:39 PM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#131994: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:51:46 AM

See, this whole discussion regarding Ego's exactly why trying to reconcile him as a capital-C Celestial is more trouble than it's worth. Far easier to simply have them as their own group, one far and away more powerful than Ego ever could be and yet so cosmically secretive and distant that Ego truly thinks he's the one top dog.

@MatthewWayne People like Sharon Carter being an edgier character but don't necessarily like what her being the Power Broker means in the context of FATWS. I've seen a lot of people theorize her possibly being a Skrull just to retcon her actions back.

The Sylvie backlash is real and it's also really weird, because a lot of people insist on taking HWR's and by extension the TVA's mission statement at face value and not a problem that HWR essentially created himself. People judge her for making the bad choice in a trolley problem when the whole tragedy is that she refuses to even recognize that the trolley problem is there.

Edited by Watchtower on Aug 20th 2021 at 11:52:55 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131995: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:52:33 AM

[up][up] Well, I don't use Reddit, so that might explain why I haven't seen so much discourse. I can't stand the layout of that website.

But yeah, on Twitter everyone really doesn't like Sylvie for some reason. I admit that her romance with Loki was really forced and I didn't like it very much, but I didn't think she was that terrible.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Aug 20th 2021 at 8:52:43 AM

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Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131996: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:54:13 AM

[up] People on reddit actually like Sylvie, but everyone writes that social media doesn't. I don't use twitter so I can't estimate the extent.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 20th 2021 at 6:55:00 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#131997: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:56:47 AM

You have to remember Twitter opinions aren't all unique individuals, but sometimes a few people posting over and over again. If Twitter opinions were a general measure of popularity or lack thereof, The Owl House wouldn't have been canceled due to low ratings. Same with Tumblr.

Sylvie's fine. Her romance is...weird, but it's not this insurmountable offense, it's just...weird.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 20th 2021 at 11:57:20 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131998: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:57:00 AM

Well this is great. One of us uses the other social media platform the other uses.

I personally think that Sharon becoming a crime boss could make sense. It would also give her much more characterization than just "Random CIA agent who has the hots for Cap." Plus, I think it's important to challenge perceptions of who people are and who they could become.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#131999: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:59:10 AM

Owl house isn't being cancelled for low ratings,its not been specified why they gave them a shortened season

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#132000: Aug 20th 2021 at 9:07:07 AM

In fairness to Quill my dislike to him as more to do with his actor, I can’t really stand Chris Pratt anymore.

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