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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#131951: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:52:42 AM

Easy: Ego was a Celestial. Next question.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131952: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:54:57 AM

Ego seems to have been a Celestial that for some reason lacked a body.

My wild mass guess is that Knowhere (the severed Celestial head) is what's left of Ego's original body and that the circumstances that separated him from said body also wiped his memories of it.

Edited by M84 on Aug 20th 2021 at 4:55:43 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131953: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:04:35 AM

The entire planet was Ego's body.

Meanwhile Kevin Feige gave a bunch of interviews:

  • About Spider-Man FFH: "It will be in theaters on December 17, and there will be a trailer before that, you can be assured."
  • Season 2 of Loki will start filming "between next year and the year after," which means it will be released after Quantumania. Since Jonathan Majors is in both of them, we will either see two different Kang variants, or Quantumania has a Downer / Bittersweet Ending, and Kang is not defeated in it.
  • About the next Avengers film: "I think we want there to be a reasonable amount of time from the Endgame to start a new saga, which is already underway and already started. And then you need time, as you did in Phase 1, to build that saga before you start bringing everyone together."

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 20th 2021 at 1:11:47 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131954: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:18:47 AM

[up]No no, the planet was something Ego created to be his body when he was still an immobile giant brain. My wild mass guess is that his original body was more like a typical Celestial.

Edited by M84 on Aug 20th 2021 at 6:19:22 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131955: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:38:53 AM

Ok, I checked the GotG2 transcript:

Ego: I don’t know where I came from exactly. First thing I remember is flickering adrift in the cosmos utterly and entirely alone. Over millions of years I learned to control the molecules around me. I grew smarter and stronger. And I continued building from there, layer by layer, the very planet you walk on now. But I wanted more. I desired meaning. "There must be some life out there in the universe besides just me," I thought. And so, I set myself the task of finding it. I created what I imagined biological life to be like down to the most minute detail. [..] I’ve also got pain receptors, and a digestive system and all the accompanying junk. I wanted to experience what it truly meant to be human as I set out amongst the stars until I found what I sought. Life. I was not alone in the universe after all. [..] If I don’t return regularly to my planet and the light within it, this form will wither and perish. [..] I had an unceasing impulse to find life. But what I did not tell you was how, when I finally did find it, it was all so disappointing. And that is when I came to a profound realization. My innate desire to seek out other life was not so that I could walk among that life. I have found meaning.[..] I call it the Expansion. It is my purpose. [..] I need to fulfill life’s one true purpose. To grow and spread, covering all that exists, until everything is Me! [..] I only had one problem. A single Celestial doesn’t have enough power for such an enterprise. But two Celestials.. Well, now, that just might do.

Do Celestials even have original bodies? How is a Celestial born in the MCU? And what do Celestials other than Ego need? Why are they protecting humans from the Deviants?

PS So, Ego had a "glorious purpose" as well. I watched it so long ago that I forgot about it.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 20th 2021 at 1:42:29 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131956: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:54:49 AM

We don't really know much about Celestial biology in the MCU. Even in the comics, the Celestials' "bodies" kind of blur the line between organic and technology. Their "bodies" may in fact be Humongous Mecha inhabited by the Celestials' energy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131957: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:13:54 AM

that sounds like..a transformer actually,fitting really since Marvel did do transformer comics at one point

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131958: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:17:29 AM

[up]Celestials in the comics can even combine into a bigger and more powerful Celestial. Though it's not in the style of a Combining Mecha and more of a Dragonball Z Fusion Dance.

Four Celestials once did that to curbstomp Galactus since he was overpowering them when they were separate.

Edited by M84 on Aug 20th 2021 at 7:18:17 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131959: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:06:00 AM

Even in the comics, the Celestials' "bodies" kind of blur the line between organic and technology. Their "bodies" may in fact be Humongous Mecha inhabited by the Celestials' energy.
Trailer for the Eternals: The sudden return of the population provided the necessary energy for the emergence to begin.

I turned on the subtitles, she says "emergence", not "emergency".

Edit: Ego was using his children as living batteries. What if other Celestials are also harnessing energy to power up some technology, maybe weapon, and Eternals are actually protecting their facility or something.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:28:22 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#131960: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:11:10 AM

[up][up] I feel like just about any crazy thing could happen when a Celestial shows up in a story.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#131961: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:18:05 AM

I was thinking prior that I would possibly be more hyped for Eternals if it wasn't an MCU property. I like the idea of an ageless family having an awkward reunion and kind of want that to be focused on with out MCU distractions. However, I am hyped to see Celestials do stuff.

Also, I wonder if there's potential for them to have some shared history with the Manderin given that guy's apparent age.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131962: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:45:47 AM

In the comics at least Celestials can actually EAT Eternals for a power boost.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#131963: Aug 20th 2021 at 6:37:16 AM

About Spider-Man NWH: "It will be in theaters on December 17, and there will be a trailer before that, you can be assured."

The first trailer for Spider-Man: No Way Home will be attached to the theatrical release of Spider-Man: No Way Home.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#131964: Aug 20th 2021 at 6:38:01 AM

My guess is it’ll release with the Carnage movie.

The legend has returned.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#131965: Aug 20th 2021 at 6:38:55 AM

I do think their using shang chi as a litmus to see if they should delay again.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#131966: Aug 20th 2021 at 6:51:44 AM

It should be noted that in the comics the Celestials are a specific race of cosmic beings. Not every small-C celestial being is a big-C Celestial - Ego isn't, Galactus isn't, etc.

It sounds confusing but that's what happens when an alien race is named after an actual word in the English language. [lol]

They could possibly retcon "Celestial" to be more of a classification but then that obfuscates the fact that the Celestials are specifically these giant cosmic scientists engaging in a fair amount of Ancient Astronauts experimentation shit.

Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131967: Aug 20th 2021 at 7:58:39 AM

Someone on reddit figured out what the "emergence" from the Eternals trailer (and the entire movie) is all about. I'm hiding it under the spoiler tag because it seems very likely.

See the image - A Celestial Seed being dropped into the Earth. In the comics, Celestial seeds use the evolutionary power made by species on the surface to power up and be born into new Celestials, destroying the planet.

My own predictions: The Eternals are actually tasked with protecting and hatching the Seed, and need humans only as a power source (not dissimilar to Ego), but Sersi will want to protect humans and prevent the destruction of the planet instead. Ikaris will proceed with the original plan, and they will fight each other. Since MCU must go on, Sersi and Co will win.

Edited by Asherinka on Aug 20th 2021 at 6:11:05 PM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#131968: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:04:35 AM

Seems plausible.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#131969: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:07:56 AM

[up][up] But if that's the case, why didn't any of the Eternals make a note when Ego tried to do this back in 1989? You'd think that would be something they'd want to interfere in...

Speaking of Ego, how is it that he never found out about the existence of his fellow Celestials on Earth when they've literally been on Earth since the beginning of humanity 7,000 years ago?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Aug 20th 2021 at 8:10:59 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#131970: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:12:03 AM

No clue, but I'm sure they'll Hand Wave it somehow.

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131971: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:15:54 AM

They didn't know about Ego and didn't recognize his presence as a celestial

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#131972: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:16:26 AM

Uh Ego is a selfish sociopath. He probably didn't really care.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131973: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:20:54 AM

Why are you suddenly spoilering tagging Ego?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#131974: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:21:54 AM

I uh don't know actually ....

Matthew was doing it. I just kinda did the same....

Edited by miraculous on Aug 20th 2021 at 8:22:08 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#131975: Aug 20th 2021 at 8:22:43 AM

Ego's weird as far as Celestials go, really. He claims to have made up the name himself, claims to be the only Celestial in existence, and seems to have never even met any of the others.

I wouldn't be surprised if any Celestials (or the Eternals, in talking about them) in this move deride Ego as... well... an egomaniac who wasn't actually one of them.


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