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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#131926: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:02:16 PM

Remember when Civil War 2 opened with a bunch of Celestials

Couldn’t take them seriously after that I’m afraid

Knull shows up with some goo Celestials he’s goo enslaved and I’m like ho hum what else you got, that means NOTHING to me anymore

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#131927: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:04:17 PM

Didn't the X-Men's Extinction Team scare them off as well?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131928: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:04:37 PM

[up][up]Yeah, when Knull showed up with an army of enslaved Celestials I was just thinking "join the club".

I also stopped taking Galactus seriously after the recent Thor comics retconned him as being a Herald of an even bigger cosmic threat. Especially since Thor then immediately killed both of them like it was nothing.

That said, props to Thor and the writer for not giving Galactus a pass for his multiple planetary genocides like so many others have done. When Thor killed Galactus he made a point of condemning him for all of the worlds he devoured.

Edited by M84 on Aug 19th 2021 at 8:06:49 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#131929: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:30:57 PM

In fairness I made my post knowing that Galactus himself has at least been clowned before. Just figured it's good for the general audience to get to know just what the intended power-levels are like - Galactus isn't just a giant purple dude in a big hat.

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#131930: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:38:52 PM

Arishem the Judge ordering the Eternals not to get involved in Earthly affairs does at least give us a decent answer as to why they never intervened. But then again, since the teaser trailer flat out says that the Eternals have guided humanity throughout the centuries, it baffles me as to why Arishem would even allow his creations to help another species when they aren't even facing off against the Deviants.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 19th 2021 at 5:42:15 AM

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#131931: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:42:56 PM

In the recent series the Eternals could help but they could not interfere

It’s a delicate distinction

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#131932: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:45:48 PM

Honestly, it's rather oxymoronic for the Eternals to guide humanity and not interfere in its affairs since that implies that they were secretly helping them for 7,000 years and some were probably participants in certain historical events.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 19th 2021 at 5:47:04 AM

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#131933: Aug 19th 2021 at 5:59:31 PM

You can participate without interfering I guess

If you don’t believe in butterfly effect

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#131934: Aug 19th 2021 at 6:01:11 PM

I guess maybe the difference is whether or not they actually use their powers to help.

Basically, they help in such a way that keeps the rest of humanity from learning about the Eternals' existence.

Edited by M84 on Aug 19th 2021 at 9:01:56 PM

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#131935: Aug 19th 2021 at 6:02:17 PM

Perhaps. But in these situations, some of them would have likely used their powers to help humans which again breaks the whole "no interference" clause imposed by Arishem.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131936: Aug 19th 2021 at 6:03:05 PM

I’m curious what the survivors are gonna do afterwards.

Like is Sersi gonna join the Avengers or something.

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#131937: Aug 19th 2021 at 6:06:01 PM

Captain Marvel: "...weren't you blue before?"

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#131938: Aug 19th 2021 at 6:07:36 PM

In the aforementioned comic it was about not dictating the course of humanity

Kingo considered killing one of Genghis’ generals to stop all the destruction but decided not to because there was no external interference causing it. Just humans being humans

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#131939: Aug 19th 2021 at 6:08:27 PM

Maybe this aspect of the Eternals might hold up in the film. Or not, depending on if the film decides to keep that trait of characters in the adaptation. Though in the case of helping humans, it might be smaller things like stopping a gang of thugs or the occasional Been There, Shaped History thing.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 19th 2021 at 6:14:13 AM

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#131940: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:51:32 PM

So far, the "Why didn't you guys help fight Thanos?" quote by Black Knight has become as memetic as "Throughout the years, we have never interfered" with user comments on the film's second trailer asking this question.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#131941: Aug 19th 2021 at 7:57:59 PM

I kind of want them to specifically establish that they had nothing to do with the Pyramids just to screw a bit with the popular ancient aliens conspiracy theory.

"Did you build the pyramids?"

"Dude, a pyramid is literally just a well-organized pile of rocks. I'd build something far more interesting if I had the chance."

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#131942: Aug 19th 2021 at 9:49:13 PM

I like that in Eternals Ikaris is being set up kind of as the not intentionally funny member of the group. Not the Comically Serious, but a few moments we've seen already have shown that even when he's being serious he kind of goofs up.

I could see the triangle between him Sersei and Whitman being resolved with Sersei choosing Whitman and one of the others casually ribbing Ikaris about it since none of them seem to take him too seriously with the probable exceptions of Ajak and Sersei.

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#131943: Aug 19th 2021 at 9:55:13 PM

Ikaris: "It's over, isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it over?"

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#131944: Aug 19th 2021 at 9:56:30 PM

Its amusing looking up the look of the comic Eternals and most images are from the original Kirby comic with little modern images.

And you can also tell how obscure the property is by the fact said designs lack the decades long updating and refining most characters go through. Essentially everyone looks the same for the most part, like Ikaris and Makkari.

Its like contrast with the New Gods, Darkseid specifically whose prominence allows his design to shift over the years from his classic skirt get-up to say the New 52 armor. Or say the 2017 Mister Miracle comic where Miracle and Orion's looks are very slim and slick due to the modern art-style.

And in some cases some looks just don't look that impressive. I mean comic Kro he's just...... well he's no Darkseid thats for sure. [lol]

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#131945: Aug 19th 2021 at 10:01:13 PM

[up][up]Is that a reference to something?

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#131946: Aug 19th 2021 at 10:01:58 PM

Yes

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#131947: Aug 19th 2021 at 10:03:23 PM

...Ok.

Mind telling me what? Or potholing it?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#131948: Aug 19th 2021 at 10:06:34 PM

Stevened Universe

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131949: Aug 19th 2021 at 10:09:59 PM

I have to say Angelina Jolie looks exactly like comic Thena.

That is some superb casting and costuming there.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#131950: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:06:45 AM

How are they gonna circle the square of Celestials being a thing now and also calling Ego a celestial?

My various fanfics.

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