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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#131901: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:25:00 PM

Re: Black Panther and Riri Williams:

On Discord, I was reminded that Wakanda Forever has a filming site planned at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology). Coincidentally, this happens to be Riri's college as well in the comics.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131902: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:25:43 PM

Okay yeah that makes sense. I thought you meant like Riri would be modeling herself after Shuri.

[up] Huh she could also be in Wakanda due to a college field trip.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 19th 2021 at 2:26:38 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#131903: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:38:30 PM

I'm curious if they might introduce Riri by making her a Composite Character with Queen Divine Justice somehow.

That character was the estranged daughter of the assassinated Jabari chieftain (not M'Baku) who was then escorted to the US to protect her from Bast fundamentalists, then targeted by Nakia for being a Dora Milaje candidate and thus possible romantic rival. But her history could be adapted so that she's another child of a War Dog who Went Native overseas, much like Killmonger.

Alternately she's just a science genius who is working in a limited capacity with the Wakandans in order to share their knowledge with the rest of the world at a safe pace.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#131904: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:41:07 PM

RE: Ironheart in BP2:

Well. Can't exactly say I saw it coming.

BP2 seems like it has a lot on its plate. Deal with the loss of Chadwick, introduce Iron Man's successor, introduce Black Panther's successor, possibly introduce Namor and Atlantis. I have faith it'll be done well, but it still feels like a lot.

I think I'm on the same boat. It'll probably be done well, but it really feels like there's a lot of moving pieces going on. Probably doesn't help that I'm still not completely over Chadwick being gone...sad

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#131905: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:43:42 PM

I wonder if Riri will have some connection to Killmonger since it was established he graduated from MIT.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131906: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:44:19 PM

If I had to make a educated guess about Riri's role: the first Black Panther famously ends with T'challa founding Wakandan outreach programs in the US. I'm going to guess Riri Williams is the most noticeable product of these outreach programs, a genius who finally got a chance to study with the big leagues with this Wakandan scholarship and a demonstration of this pan-african solidarity T'challa was proposing at the end of the first film. This would allow her to be worked into the film fairly easily (with the characters checking up on what became of T'challa's efforts and her being the focal point of it).

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#131907: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:44:33 PM

She's his daughter. tongue

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#131908: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:45:45 PM

[up] Oh man, I can already sense the trolls foaming at the mouth in fury if they went that route.

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#131909: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:47:15 PM

secret robot daughter! grin

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131910: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:48:07 PM

Either Killermonger or T'Challa's daughter.

In case the latter was sowing some oats during his time in America. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 19th 2021 at 2:48:16 AM

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#131911: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:53:43 PM

...Crazy idea.

wild mass guessIn MCU, Riri will be successor of Black Panther by combining Iron Man(the technology) and Black Panther(Heart-Shaped Herb+BB-suit technology), which is why she's called "Ironheart".wild mass guess

...like I said, crazy idea.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131912: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:55:34 PM

I don't think Riri showing up in Wakanda Forever means she related in the adaptation to anyone.

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#131913: Aug 19th 2021 at 2:55:58 PM

Apparently the Deviant that's holding Thena is called Kro. In the comics he is the leader of the Deviants and was in a relationship with Thena, kinda like Romeo and Juliet. It'll be interesting to see how they show that in the movie.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#131914: Aug 19th 2021 at 3:32:46 PM

I cannot be the only one getting Galactus vibes from the Celestial seen in the trailer. Now I'm not saying it is Galactus, but they do look somewhat similar.

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#131915: Aug 19th 2021 at 3:34:18 PM

Well they are celestials and they do sort of look similar

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#131916: Aug 19th 2021 at 3:34:34 PM

Eh, not really. I just thought it looked like one of those giant scuba diving things from Bioshock combined with the Sentinels from X-Men: Days of Future Past, but as giant godlike beings I guess.

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Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#131917: Aug 19th 2021 at 3:35:57 PM

In regards to future directors, I think Jordan Vogt-Roberts would be a solid choice to do an MCU movie like say Eternals or Captain America 4. The guy knows how to write comedy and drama as seen with You're the Worst and The Kings of Summer, not to mention that he has worked with MCU actors before on Kong: Skull Island.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on Aug 19th 2021 at 3:41:59 AM

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#131918: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:08:39 PM

I do kind of get a Galactus vibe, but more in the sense of "Galactus will probably be kind of like this when he gets adapted", not "this character is literally Galactus".

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131919: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:09:52 PM

Its pretty scary that in the known universe, there are beings far more frightening than even Thanos.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131920: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:10:55 PM

I feel like there's a decent chance Chad Stahelski (from the JW films) does a superhero film in the future. David Leitch (who co-directed the first JW with him) did Deadpool 2 and Stahelski himself was a action coordinator in Birds of Prey, so I feel like it's a matter of time until he gets shanghaied into directing either a MCU movie or a DCEU one.

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#131921: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:31:11 PM

Galactus and the Celestials were both drawn by Jack Kirby, and he loved him some powerful space dudes with weird helmets. So, I'm not surprised some people see a connection there.

At the very least, we can be sure Galactus won't be a goddamn cloud when he finally appears in the MCU.

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#131922: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:32:49 PM

I think it's pretty great that the most dangerous being in all of the multiverse is a smart regular human. The fact that the most powerful human to ever live is a black guy is pretty great, too, just the biggest middle finger concievable to racists.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 19th 2021 at 4:34:05 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#131923: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:43:50 PM

If people are already quaking at the sight and implied power of the Celestials then Galactus should have them shitting in their boots. The Celestials are one of if not the most powerful race in the comics universe. Galactus predates the universe.

[up] I saw a meme that was like "The most powerful MCU organization is a black-owned business" and I died.

Edited by Watchtower on Aug 19th 2021 at 7:44:16 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131924: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:45:35 PM

Amusingly the November solicits for the new Kang comic shows a cover of Kang unmasked and yeah he's a white guy.

Its funny to remember thats actually a mask and not his face.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#131925: Aug 19th 2021 at 4:55:20 PM

[up][up]In the comics Galactus has thrown down with Celestials. He took on four of them and had the upper hand...until they merged together.

Basically, Galactus is more powerful than any one Celestial. But there's a whole bunch of Celestials.

And keep in mind these were regular Celestials. We aren't talking about Exitar the Exterminator here.

The Celestials are powerful enough that they unfortunately suffer The Worf Effect (much like Galactus amusingly enough) in the comics to hype up the threat level of a new cosmic villain like the Beyonders or Knull.

Edited by M84 on Aug 19th 2021 at 7:59:24 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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