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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
There's a part of me that wishes that Zemo had an interaction with Wanda during Civil War. Two Sokovians, from different social backgrounds, both blame members of the Avengers for the deaths of their families (though Wanda primarily hated Tony and only considered the others guilty by association; Zemo just hates them all equally). Wanda grew out of her grudge against the Avengers and became one of them; Zemo still has his prejudices.
Okey Dokey!I think shang chi will probably keep it's release date. Since its a totally new hero and such and their not as attached.
It will be the sacrifice to see if theatres are open for business or not. If it is, then fine. If not they'll delay the rest of the set.
Edited by miraculous on Aug 12th 2021 at 5:16:13 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Between working for the Sokovian Military and also being a blue-blooded aristocrat, it paints a narrative that Zemo's real fear and his hatred of Super Soldiers stems from the idea of power superior to his own landing in the hands of those who he deems inferior to him.
Or at least, that's an argument a character could make against Zemo if the show wanted you to be critical of him. But it clearly doesn't. Falcon and the Winter Soldier wants you to like Helmutt Zemo, a murderous tool of fascism who will kill anyone he wants to achieve his goals, no matter how cruel and petty those goals are, more than John Walker. A man who, I cannot stress enough, is literally just a guy.
My various fanfics.- Between working for the Sokovian Military and also being a blue-blooded aristocrat, it paints a narrative that Zemo's real fear and his hatred of Super Soldiers stems from the idea of power superior to his own landing in the hands of those who he deems inferior to him.
@SonOfSharknado: Consider that a girl from the poor part of town in his country is now one of the most powerful individuals on Earth. That's gonna get really dicey if Zemo becomes part of the Thunderbolts and Wanda ends up crossing paths with him.
Okey Dokey!Dicey as in she’ll dice him into cubes?
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 12th 2021 at 8:32:37 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersBut he explicitly said "Look, I'm not Steve. I'm not trying to replace Steve. I'm just trying to do the best I can. And maybe we should work together to take down this terrorist that we all want to catch, anyway."
Bucky: "Your mother's a whore."
Sam: -Shrugs-
My various fanfics.I've noted it in the main TFatWS thread but I've always taken MCU Zemo's bluebloodedness as something that, outside of the secret stockpile of old money, doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Like oooh, you're a Baron of a failed Eastern Bloc state, whoop de shit.
Hell, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Val de Fontaine being a Contessa means even less beyond her inheriting her own old money and being bougie af.
I suppose being an Italian countess wouldn’t matter much in the US
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It sounds like his original idea intended to actually use the aether / reality stone in a substantial way.
That's a shame. One of the weaknesses of the finished film is that it's never really established what the aether does or why its so bad. Malekith wants to use it to kill the concept of light, but we never learn how it's supposed to do that.
In the Infinity duology itself its a bit nebulous as the reality stone seems to be more used by Thanos to make illusions than actually permanently change things.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."It seems to depend on how much its current wielder understands the power of the Reality Stone / Aether. Malekith understood it well enough to be able to eventually make the entire universe dark. Thanos understood it even better and could create entire false (though temporary) realities along with other feats of transmutation like turning Quill's blaster into a bubble gun. Thanos also had the additional advantages of wielding the other Stones at the same time to give the Reality Stone a boost.
Edited by M84 on Aug 14th 2021 at 3:00:34 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe Mind Stone was also the power source of Loki's sceptre in the first Avengers movie which allowed him to mind control people.
The Mind Stone is actually pretty powerful since it can imbue true sentience into artificial beings like Ultron and Vision. The experiments with the Mind Stone also unlocked the powers of Wanda and Pietro Maximoff.
Edited by M84 on Aug 14th 2021 at 3:33:32 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe Soul Stone's powers in the MCU are vague, but it hosts a pocket dimension that contains the souls of those sacrificed to it.
Thanos also used it in the battle on Titan to locate the real Doctor Strange among his duplicates and even shoved Strange's soul out of his body for a moment.
I once posited a theory about how the Snap relied on all six Stones working in tandem:
- The Power Stone supplies the power needed and amplifies the others.
- The Reality Stone does the actual transmutation of people into dust.
- The Time Stone ensures that the normally temporary reality warping of the Reality Stone is permanent.
- The Space Stone is what allows the Snap to affect the entire universe almost simultaneously.
- The Soul Stone's mastery over souls is what detects the living beings in the universe who are to be Snapped.
- The Mind Stone is the intelligence behind the Snap — it's essentially an algorithm to ensure that exactly half of the universe is Snapped.
Edited by M84 on Aug 14th 2021 at 3:46:27 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised

Eh, Cambodia had a restoration of the monarchy after the civil war there, it's not necessarily out of the question.
I'm more confused because Zemo in Civil War came off to me like an average man. The implication I had taken was that Zemo was a normal person who represented those who suffered from the Avengers' mistakes, who brought them down as a consequence of their failures. Him being an aristocrat kind of torpedoes that idea and just makes him a rich asshole.
Edited by Diana1969 on Aug 12th 2021 at 10:11:24 PM