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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#131551: Aug 12th 2021 at 3:44:41 AM

That would make sense. It was always weird to me that the Mandarin's rings fit on his fingers despite previously belonging to a huge-ass space dragon. I know they've said the rings were part of his spaceship's engine or something, but it's still a bit weird that they fit human fingers.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131552: Aug 12th 2021 at 3:47:30 AM

magic rings that change size to fit the wearer remind me of the One Ring..

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#131553: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:33:28 AM

TBF, they weren't originally rings. They were just Soul Jar cylinders that happened to be similar enough to rings to be worn like them.

Edited by M84 on Aug 12th 2021 at 7:33:43 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#131554: Aug 12th 2021 at 11:14:27 AM

Sony is considering delaying Venom 2 which would assuredly mean Spider Man No Way Home being delayed.

Apparently their litmus test is going to be how well Free Guy does.

Edit - Venom delay is official to October 15.

https://twitter.com/variety/status/1425872520302014467?s=21

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 12th 2021 at 2:45:33 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131555: Aug 12th 2021 at 1:47:15 PM

Heh this is a good meme.

Imagine your fighting for your life against monsters as the world falls apart and theres Spider-Man walking sadly. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#131556: Aug 12th 2021 at 3:34:25 PM

Still absolutely bonkers to me that Sam and Bucky would rather free the terrorist who framed Bucky for murder and destroyed The Avengers than work with John Walker, who is literally just a dude.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131557: Aug 12th 2021 at 3:43:56 PM

Well, Walker proves himself to be something of an asshole later, but that's more due to a combination of collapsing under pressure, not being the right person for the job, and downing a psycho serum.

It's clear they don't like him because he's not Steve, and he was given something that didn't belong to him (and that Sam never should have given up).

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#131558: Aug 12th 2021 at 3:48:13 PM

But John didn't do anything wrong! He's just a guy! He's decorated! Hell, he's nice! He's as close to a hero as the US military can possibly produce. It's so dumb.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131559: Aug 12th 2021 at 3:50:52 PM

It is Sam's fault he even got the shield to begin with.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131560: Aug 12th 2021 at 3:56:59 PM

In their defense, Bucky is the one who breaks him out and Sam pretty clearly finds it a terrible idea. He only rolls with it because once Bucky broke him out the cat was out of the bag so, in for a penny in for a pound.

The justification of Bucky is more so that Walker comes across to Sam and Bucky as a jackbooted thug of the establishment (and that's more or less what he is, in spite of what the last episode and the writers would lead you to believe). Breaking Zemo out was a incredibly shit idea, though.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131561: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:11:10 PM

Indeed. Not wanting to work with John was one thing.

Deciding breaking out Zemo was a better idea was something else entirely.

Hell, you could argue that, for all his flaws and how undeserving he was of the shield, maybe they could have avoided some of the worse stuff that happened if they'd worked with him from the get go. He did seem to want to team with them, and if they hadn't have blown him off, he might not have gotten some twitchy that he jumped the gun and barged in when Sam was seconds away from talking down Karli.

In other words, it was better to keep him close and under control.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#131562: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:12:48 PM

[up][up] I get it that you hate the ending of that show, and I'm not going to tell you that you can't, because it's not like I completely disagree. But the constant amount of Take Thats and passive-aggressive comments you throw at it even compared to other folks who've also criticized it vocally, is genuinely striking me as unhealthy and slightly obsessive, especially since you've made some really unnecessary and pointlessly nasty personal attacks towards me and others for daring to discuss it in an impartial manner. Please stop, if just for your own mental health's sake.

[up] Yeah, while I can understand that Bucky's mental health was especially fraught at the time, it felt like a really clumsy way to integrate Zemo into the story overall. The higher-ups said he needed to be in the story, and so he was.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 12th 2021 at 7:21:21 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131563: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:14:51 PM

[up]

....um, you're talking to one of the people above me right?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131564: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:18:17 PM

You can't really personally blame Walker for having the shield.

He's a soldier, it was a position and weapon given to him by his superiors. I mean sure he could have turned it down, but who wouldn't want to be a superhero?

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 12th 2021 at 4:37:08 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131565: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:22:35 PM

I don't see how that post I just made is in any way derogatory to anyone. It was at best mildly acidic towards the writing of the show for a single aside (everything else is just a more-or-less factual description). I again don't remember attacking you at any point (I got into some heated arguments with just Charles, to my memory).

I might as well leave the forums entirely if anything critical I say is to be considered like some sort of bloodthirsty attack on people regardless of the context like I'm a rabid dog who needs to be put down for my own sake.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#131566: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:25:27 PM

I'm not saying your most recent post is derogatory towards anyone. Please do not misinterpret my post like that. Although there is a pattern of you not being able to go one post about the show, without using it to complain about the finale, each by its lonesome not being notable but together forming a pattern of seeming fixation. And while I have zero interest in relitigating that specific conversation, doing things like telling me I'm an idiot for trying to talk about a show that you think doesn't deserve it, kind of does come off a tad personal.

[up][up] I do wonder if Unnamed GRC Man will come back at some point, as he was pretty clearly set up as the Bigger Bad of the show early on, but outside of Walker's trial, seemingly vanishes.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 12th 2021 at 7:41:19 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#131567: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:33:26 PM

Baron Zemo, man who hates Super Soldiers: "You know, there is zero degrees of separation from super soldiers and superheroes to Nazis."

Sam and Bucky: "Hmmmm. I think he's onto something."

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131568: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:39:51 PM

The funny part about it is him raging about the dangers of believing some people are inherently superior to others when he is actual blue-blooded aristocracy, a social class entirely defined on being arbitrarily put above others.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#131569: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:42:26 PM

I guess he just doesn’t like it when it’s superpowers instead of having the right family name

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#131570: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:42:36 PM

Well credit to him at least he wasn't an actual Nazi this time.

Huh hope Walker's wife doesn't get endangered after whatever hes put himself into now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#131571: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:44:06 PM

He's a blueblooded aristocrat who killed people in a Sokovian military death squad.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#131572: Aug 12th 2021 at 4:59:50 PM

Yeah.

And lets consider that if the not for Tony actually being responsible for Ultron, he'd have done the exact same thing against people who were not at fault for the destruction of Sokovia.

Zemo's whole thing is arguably destroy whatever I don't like, and it's clear he doesn't care who gets in the way of that, as T'chaka can attest.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#131573: Aug 12th 2021 at 5:00:05 PM

I haven't seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier yet but I'll admit it does feel weird to have Zemo as an aristocrat when I didn't really get that vibe from him in Civil War?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#131574: Aug 12th 2021 at 5:03:56 PM

It's a bit of an awkward addition, particularly considering Sokovia is pretty clearly located on what would be the Soviet side of the Iron Curtain (and soviets would definitely steamroll aristocratic titles first thing in the morning). Sokovia could have had some sort of monarchical restoration since 1991 (particularly given there was a Sokovian Civil War for some unnaddressed reasons), but it's quite a convoluted backstory and something that so far hasn't been addressed at all.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#131575: Aug 12th 2021 at 5:07:49 PM

Feels like something they clumsily adapted from the comic books that clashes with movie Zemo

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