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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The twist would have worked fine.
If killain was something. Intimidating, charismatic, etc.
In practice. He's just a really lame, whiny prick.
It's the basic good idea. Bad execution.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."In the early days of the MCU they had the Creative Committee who was more or less in charge of keeping things SOMEWHAT consistent from film to film, later this turned to just Feige.
WB didn't have that 'Top Down' structure or mentality, everybody did almost whatever they wanted. Mo S was most likely never originally envisioned to be the start up of a whole Extended Universe, but with its success and by then the HUGE success of the MCU with Avengers (released just the year before) made WB hungry for the money a JL film would make.
Snyder got the tap to make that vision a reality, but he had his own ideas and its ALSO possible they didn't think the MCU had a DECADE long plan spanning over TWENTY films, its possible WB believed that the Avengers (2012) WAS the end game.
So by the time we GOT to JL in 2017, WB had long come to the realization that the Avengers (2012) wasn't the endgame but the end of the first chapter of a much larger saga and cash cow and again...they wanted that too but it was far too late. Snyder gonna Snyder and to their horror not only was Bv S poorly recd but he had an 'ending' planned for all the most profitable/bankable characters. Hence they huge efforts to try and course correct
I got distracted while typing this out so it's a little late but Josstice League feels more "stereotypically Marvel movie" than virtually any actual Marvel movie. It's such a Frankenstein's monster of course-correcting that's gotten worse and worse the more I think about it and the more details behind the production and Whedon have come out. It's certainly a credit to Marvel Studios that, even if they've had some duds along the way, they've never put a film that's thaaaaaat bad (with the arguable exception of AOU).
Although, I guess a trade-off is some of these newer DC films (Shazam, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad) I enjoy more than the majority of Marvel movies, as well as any Marvel movie since Black Panther.
Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Aug 10th 2021 at 12:01:48 PM
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I agree with this, too. As someone who broadly liked all the DCEU movies not made by Snyder and Ayer, I'm pretty content with where the DC films ended up (especially in contrast to the MCU). The MCU wins with interconnectedness, but the DC films feel less built by committee, and that's fine, different strokes etc., we'll always have WesternAnimation.Justice League.
Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 10th 2021 at 2:07:09 PM
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You're probably right. But I think the most important thing that allowed Marvel to flourish was the dissolution of the Creative Committee. Yes, Disney is a terrible company and despite Marvel being their cash cow, you can see their influence negatively affecting some parts of the MCU at large. But if it wasn't for them, the Creative Committee would still be in charge, and I'm almost certain that the MCU would've crashed, or would've devolved into being a franchise generic stereotypical mess much like Josstice League was. We would NOT be getting Black Panther, Captain/Ms Marvel, Shang-Chi, or especially the Eternals under the Committee's influence.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Aug 10th 2021 at 12:06:01 PM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."It also helps the DC side that all the directors post JL films LEARNED from the Snyder/Whedon/Ayer messes and had worked into their contracts that they would have more freedoms and less 'made by committee' interference.
And for the most part it worked with the noted exception of WW 84.
Amusingly you can say that WW 84’s problem was too much creative freedom.
Kevin Feige will undoubtedly go down as one of the greatest Hollywood producers of all time. He's not the only one responsible for the MCU's success (casting director Sarah Finn will never get enough credit) but as the captain of the ship he's lead the MCU into the unique cultural juggernaut it's at now and his own ascension into effectively becoming the King of Marvel is indicative of that success. And it really boils down to the perfect storm of character traits he has: he's a skilled producer but with legitimate creative chops, he's a die-hard Marvel fan who just gets intuitively how these characters work, he's charismatic to make people want to work for him, he both extensively plans long-term but is also extremely flexible short-term, he's downright Born Lucky, etc.
If you want to make a solid cinematic universe you really need someone or someones that can replicate those traits, and pretty much no one else has really succeeded at that. Geoff Johns has clearly been trying to prop himself up as this for the DCEU but for multiple reasons (some of which have only become evident from Fisher's accusations) he will never be up to the task.
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There probably are but were most likely too high concept for early Marvel.
Ironically Taskmaster could have worked decently well as the lead of his own action movie.
Feige has said he’ll always regret how DC beat them to the lunch like that.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 10th 2021 at 1:09:17 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I’d argue that the suicide squad wasn’t more villain protagonist than the guardians in their first film
Forever liveblogging the AvengersSuicide Squad I think is actually the type of project more suited for the MCU than the DCEU. Part of the fun of the Suicide Squad is seeing those (often rather minor) villains you saw before get the spotlight as a anti-heroic squad of misfits. Both films basically introduce them to an audience, as they didn't have a chance to show up before.
Marvel actually has a golden opportunity here with their roster of captured villains to do the same base concept but maintaning that hook of "villains you saw before come back as protagonists" if they do pull the trigger on the much speculated Ghost-Abomination-Zemo Thunderbolts concept.
I have actually mused before that a neat (if risky) idea would have been a MCU-esque Phase 1 of superhero films with the catch that they're setting up the villains coming together in a Suicide Squad film occupying the space of The Avengers in this phase 1. So you get like a Superman movie which introduces Manchester Black, a Flash movie which introduces Captain Cold, a Batman movie which introduces Harley Quinn and a Aquaman movie which introduces King Shark or something. Then you get to see the villains take center stage.
Edited by Gaon on Aug 10th 2021 at 2:49:09 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."The question is will the next Avengers movie be a Dark Avengers movie starring all those villains and anti-heroes or will it be a Young Avengers movie with the Dark Avengers as the antagonists?
Personally, I'd prefer the latter option, but I could see them going either route.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 10th 2021 at 3:43:44 AM
I think the next avengers movie might be an Avengers movie though I know not what roster it will have
if they do something with Squadron Supreme I really hope they follow it up by adapting the maxi series where they try to fix the world
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 10th 2021 at 7:01:19 AM
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

Even Vanko had a better look than Killian.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."